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Author Topic:   Can we be 100% sure there is/isn't a God?
Buzsaw
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Message 67 of 110 (38836)
05-02-2003 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by NosyNed
05-01-2003 11:43 PM


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Does it happen to say how God created?
It does say in Psalms 104:30,31 that he "sends forth his Spirit, they are created," after a list of things that were made. The Holy Spirit "moved" upon the waters in Genesis one. It is the Holy Spirit, that omnipresent member of the so called trinity that moves about in the universe doing the bidding of the Father, according to the Bible.
When he created man, he used the soil/dust of the earth, so he didn't just produce him from nothing. Then the woman was created from part of the man. Then too, we read in I Corinthians 8:6 of the "Father, from whom all things came." So The universe was not created from nothing perse. It all came forth from God. This speaks for the greatness and complexity of God, Jehovah, the supreme being.
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Buzsaw
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Message 68 of 110 (38838)
05-02-2003 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Buzsaw
05-02-2003 11:14 PM


It would take a book to explain it all, but in short, God proves himself to every generation of mankind by ongoing miracle. For example, the Bible begins with the creation of all that's in the world. It goes from there in the early chapters of Genesis to produce a fairly complete history of the world, a substantial amount of the main events and kingdoms fortold before the fact. It ends with the destruction of the world and the creation of a new earth. With Israel back in occupation of Israel and Jerusalem as Christ and the prophets predicted for the "latter days" and sooo much more, I am absolutely positive God has to exist. Can I transfer that assurance to anyone else by persuasion? Maybe; maybe not, but on a one on one basis with lots of time, I think I can produce test tube quality evidence via observable evidence that God exists to any objective seeker of truth.

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Buzsaw
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Message 88 of 110 (38945)
05-04-2003 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
05-03-2003 1:19 AM


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I don't find the existence of Israel particularly compelling, since it was founded by people with obvious knowledge of biblical prophecy.
Yah sure, so Hitler and his Nazis conspired with the Jews to drive them outa Europe to seek out their old homeland of waste to relocate. Then too, the Jewish fundies knew the OT prophecies and went back confidently that under impossible odds and surrounded by hostile nations, they could pull it off, since Jehovah was real and would fulfill his promises.
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Buzsaw
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Message 89 of 110 (38948)
05-04-2003 10:07 PM


Crashfrog:
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Do you have more? Cuz Israel doesn't really cut it for me. The problem with prophecy is that it doesn't exist in a vacumn. Often just predicting an event is enough to ensure its fulfillment.
On this board, I always have this problem with, "am I getting off subject," so getting into specific prophecies may necessitate a new thread. Maybe I should initiate a general Biblical prophecies thread. Yah, maybe I'll do that.
Buz:
"Maybe; maybe not, but on a one on one basis with lots of time, I think I can produce test tube quality evidence via observable evidence that God exists to any objective seeker of truth."
Crashfrog:
"If you can only do it one person at a time, how can it be objective evidence? True, "test tube" quality evidence would be accesible to all."
Buz:
If I'm sitting with you talking, I can tell and debate in a couple of hours what it would take days to post and respond to here. That's what I mean here.
Spring is a very busy time for me with my business and I don't have a lot of time for the computer, but I'll drop in and discuss with you fine folks when I get time. For the most part, people on this board seem to be quite intelligent people and sensible folks to debate and talk with.
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Buzsaw
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Message 90 of 110 (38949)
05-04-2003 10:19 PM


I see Drum's list of prophecies covers quite a lot. I'll check that out. He's listed a number of great ones. Crashfrog, if you can't accept these, I'm not sure you can be helped by my adding more. It's kinda like the Pharasees who saw Lazarus raised from the dead by Jesus. The first thing that came to their mind is how to do away with both the resurrector and the resurrected, as this all messed up their agenda, life style and ideology.

  
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