God - a liar?

Mike says:

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appearance of age:

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A woman who is thirty years of age and looks forty five years of age.

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Okay. Using this analogy, we claim that your position is as follows. She's thirty years of age even though she looks forty-five, her birth certificate says she was born forty-five years ago, the hospital she was born in was demolished forty years ago, her mother died forty-two years ago, her picture was in a local paper when she won a kiddie talent contest forty years ago, etc. etc.All these independent dating methods would have to be false if she is thirty years old, for no other reason than that you claim that she's thirty.regards,
Esteban Hambre

Mike,It was your analogy, and I used it to illustrate my point. If we have good reason to believe that a woman is forty-five from many independent but mutually corroborating sources, then the assertion that she is thirty (especially in the absence of supporting evidence for the claim) is probably in error.I'd say the universe really does come with dating methods: light from faraway stars, decay of radioactive isotopes, geological formations, and plenty of other things that can give us a consistent idea of how many years we're dealing with. The fact that, in terms of the age of the Earth in particular, these methods correlate is enough of a birth certificate for most rational people.I'd say you're right, if there's 'deception' it's what we concoct on our own. If we choose not to believe these scientific methods of dating the Earth or the Universe, we're deceiving ourselves.regards,
Esteban Hambre[This message has been edited by MrHambre, 04-08-2004]

Mike,

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Certainly you have shown no understanding of logic in this topic if you can't even see the difference between a woman who dresses to look older and a young woman who looks older. A woman who is 30 and looks 45 IS TRULY AN EXAMPLE OF APPEARANCE OF AGE WITHOUT DECEPTION.

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Here I tried to show why your analogy misses the point. There must be some evidence that we can present to support the hypothesis that the woman is 30, or that she's 45. She may say, she may even believe, that she's 30. However, that isn't as persuasive as birth certificates, census records, newspaper accounts, and other facts from independent sources.You're saying she is 30, but by what criteria do you know this? Going back to the age-of-Earth topic, the 'appearance' of age is based on several independent but mutually corroborating scientific measures. The 'true' age, according to you, is based on the loose interpretation of folklore that is literally thousands of years old. This is why we're asking how you know that thirty is her true age. It seems more likely that if she looks forty-five and there's all these other reasons to believe she's forty-five, then her true age is forty-five.regards,
Esteban "Disappearance of Age" Hambre