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paisano
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Message 11 of 62 (116128)
06-17-2004 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by JonF
06-17-2004 9:09 AM


Buddhist terrorists ? You betcha. Ever heard of the Tamil- Sinhalese conflict in Sri Lanka?
Hindus and Sikhs? C'mon. Google Punjab.
Shinto ? Studied the history of WW2 ?
That said, the OP is a terrible argument in favor of Christianity.

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Message 39 of 62 (116394)
06-18-2004 10:13 AM
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06-18-2004 9:45 AM


No. Many people beleive there is no absolute standard of morality in a book, but that does not mean no morality.
The idea of a directly book-based morality is a distinctly Protestant one. Catholic moral theology is also based on the idea that there are moral absolutes that can be known through human reason. Aquinas developed this idea in detail. Thus it is possible for people of many other religions, or even no religion, to develop a moral system.
There are also secular "natural law" based moral systems, e.g. John Locke.

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Message 45 of 62 (116486)
06-18-2004 2:06 PM
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06-18-2004 1:45 PM


Let's not derail into politics. Although I will say, given the personality decompensation Al Gore is now displaying, having him in the Oval Office after 9/11 would likely not have been a pretty sight. We'd in all likelihood have had our first Jewish President by now...

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Message 49 of 62 (116530)
06-18-2004 3:32 PM
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06-18-2004 2:47 PM


No, not biased or political. I just don't attach undue significance to GWB's God talk, or think it necessarily implies he views the Iraq conflict as a holy war. ( I think it's being conducted for mostly geostrategic reasons, some valid, some questionable, but that's another thread in the making).
I think he lays it on a bit thick with the God talk (and I'm Catholic) but I see it as just a personal quirk. And a a lot of it is largely for public consumption (the religious right is a big chunk of GWB's supporters, though by no means his sole supporters).
Looking back in history, Abe Lincoln has a lot of God talk in his speeches, but in his private writings and conversations, his religious views seem Deist at most. A lot of it was just for public consumption.

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Message 52 of 62 (116542)
06-18-2004 4:46 PM
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06-18-2004 4:32 PM


I think that what you are saying makes sense to a degree. It's probably more fundamental than anti-Americanism, more like anti-superpowerism.
I suggest that if China, for instance, was the #1 superpower and had heavy presence in the Persain Gulf militarily, we'd see a similar range of anti-Chinese views.

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Message 62 of 62 (116796)
06-20-2004 12:32 AM
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06-19-2004 2:33 PM


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The blatant sort of intellectual dishonesty seen at sites such as AIG seems inconsistent with traditional Christian insistence on truth and honesty.
More to the point, it negates any Fundamentalist blathering about "absolute morality". Fundamentalists are as Postmodern in their selective use of information as any moral relativist. They see "control of the facts" as an ideological tool. Whatever protestations they make to the contrary, they aren't interested in, and can't handle, the truth.

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