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Bailey
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Message 3 of 17 (487046)
10-27-2008 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Agobot
10-26-2008 3:35 PM


Many ignorant people may concede to the point that the "law" of AIDS naturally mutated itself towards the end of which you speak ...
We can refer to such theories as horse shit ....
Before we can begin locating or assigning names and descriptions to these theoretical laws of nature, it would seem fitting to set up an unbiased and objective, testable, demonstration for the existence of "natural emotions" and absolute morality. This may become difficult, as when the "knowledge of good" is introduced to the "knowledge of evil", relativity is the byproduct ...
We are left with some questions ...
* Can science rectify the relativity of morals and ethics, much less the relativity of love and hate, in our world?
* Can science testably demonstrate and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that love or morals have any place in the universe, apart from our hearts and minds?

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Bailey
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Message 6 of 17 (487084)
10-27-2008 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
10-27-2008 9:57 AM


Re: Which Way Do We Go?
Phat writes:
It is interesting how each of you asks different questions. You ask
"Can Science......" while Agobot asks "Does God.....".
Since this question is in Faith/Belief, I suggest that we presuppose that God does or could exist and then go from there.
It was my understanding that the discussion in this thread assumes the existence of God.
Tho, are we to assume in this arena that, for all intensive purposes, an unobservable spiritual world exists in conjunction with the observable physical realm?
Agobot's musing offer a brief insight of his own personal, subjective emotions and strategies conjuntively as an overlay of God, His emotions, and His strategies. He then goes on to suggest science as a facet to gleam insight regarding the matter of debate.
Some musings, tho potentially scientific, were offered to stimulate discussion regarding the absolute existence of justice or morals apart from our hearts and minds.
He asks why science has not identified natural laws that incorporate punishment among child molesters, killers, or the likes thereof. Seemingly suggesting that if science hasn't, doesn't, or can't find them, they may not exist.
The question I propose is not whether God's existence should be questioned, but whether there is an absolute code of justice and morality at play in the universe as a whole, as opposed to existing solely within the framework of mans existence.
If justice and moral relativism do not exist apart from governments and personal consciousness for example, it may logically follow that they would display no natural observable pattern elsewhere in the universe.
Let me adjust and again posit ...
* Does justice and moral relativism exist outside of man's heart and mind?
* Can science, or any facet of knowledge, demonstrate in a testable fashion, so as to prove or refute beyond a reasonable doubt, that justice or morals have any place in the universe, apart from our hearts and minds?
* Can science, or any facet of knowledge, rectify the relativity of morals and ethics, much less the relativity of love and hate, in our world?
Phat writes:
Logically, the way that I will approach this question is to ask if God ever needed to have or to at least experience emotions and, if so, what for?
Then do you feel God needs or has needed emotions?
To what end do you feel He needs or has needed them for?

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Bailey
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Message 8 of 17 (487526)
11-01-2008 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
11-01-2008 5:49 AM


Emotions are in your imagination.
Thank you for the reply Phat.
It has been a long time since we've exchanged ...
I was hoping you would respond and I hope all is well in your camp.
Phat writes:
Bailey writes:
Phat writes:
Logically, the way that I will approach this question is to ask if God ever needed to have or to at least experience emotions and, if so, what for?
Then do you feel God needs or has needed emotions?
To what end do you feel He needs or has needed them for?
Communication with humanity
This implies emotion is the language of the God.
In context, to evidence emotions may be to evidence Him.
To His credit, the fact that faith is required as evidence of such a theory fits His profile.
Must we simply better learn the language of emotion before such communication can take place?
In context, it would seem the case.
Wouldn't communication be handled better through spoken word?
Please expound.
Bailey writes:
Let me adjust and again posit ...
* Does justice and moral relativism exist outside of man's heart and mind?
Evidently they do not.
Yet I digress ...
Absence of evidence is not evidence.
* Can science, or any facet of knowledge, demonstrate in a testable fashion, so as to prove or refute beyond a reasonable doubt, that justice or morals have any place in the universe, apart from our hearts and minds?
Science has no place in determining the systematic order of pure conjecture ...
This is to imply it serves its purpose rather well within the confines of the physical world.
* Can science, or any facet of knowledge, rectify the relativity of morals and ethics, much less the relativity of love and hate, in our world?
I'd say not yet, with the exception of fringe science or faith ... this is obvious conjecture.
In conclusion, as science works from effect to cause, it must isolate some worthy evidence of emotion, outside of our imaginations, well before defining, or potentially locating, any corresponding laws that effect the material world.
It follows, as science can observe objective evidence to confirm, or even assert, that emotions exist apart from our imaginations, they may begin to explore, and further define, exactly what emotions are contrived of and their effects within nature.
Being this has not been accomplished; it remains as plausible that emotions are a supernatural force or a reality of the spirit alone.
Henceforth, emotions shall be placed in the napsack with sin, salvation, the God and all other faith based assertions.

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Bailey
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Message 11 of 17 (487568)
11-02-2008 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Taz
11-01-2008 10:09 PM


Thank you for the reply Taz.
Hope all is well ...
Taz writes:
A god without emotion is anything but an omnipotent god.
Does this imply that a man without emotion is anything but competent?

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Bailey
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Message 14 of 17 (487902)
11-06-2008 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
11-02-2008 11:46 AM


Thank you for the reply Taz.
Taz writes:
Bailey writes:
Does this imply that a man without emotion is anything but competent?
Not at all. All I'm saying is a god that has no emotion or limited emotion is anything but limitless.
I concede ... and thank you for the link - lol
The moment we say god has no this or that OR god can't do this or that, we've boxed it into some kind of limitation.
A box otherwise known as Fundamentals ... we know where they lead.
That's anything but infinite.
And, as well, anything other than reasonable & honest ...
Are emotions simply subjective imaginations employed by one another in order to express our thoughts more specifically?
Does anyone feel the reality of emotions are a subjective basis for the existence of something greater than ourselves?

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Bailey
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Message 17 of 17 (489052)
11-22-2008 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Phat
11-21-2008 11:08 AM


Re: Emotions are in your imagination.
Thank you for the reply Phat.
Phat writes:
Bailey writes:
* Does justice and moral relativism exist outside of man's heart and mind?
Evidently they do not.
Yet I digress ...
Absence of evidence is not evidence
In the context of faith and/or Belief, evidence is not required ...
I concede ...
Does faith support your belief in innate universal justice, or do you support it with other beliefs?
In what ways do you believe justice and moral relativism exist outside of man's heart and mind?
Or do you not hold such a position?
... unless you personally demand some sort of evidence before committing to a belief ...
I think most people, rational or otherwise, require this demand on some level.
Some will settle with subjective evidence, while others wait for the objective.
... in which case I would advise you not to throw everything in that knapsack just yet.
You may someday need it when times get rough!
lol - I put everything I need in that knapsack!
It never leaves my sight ...
One Love
Edited by Bailey, : grammar

Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary
The Apostle of the Skeptics writes:
"...picture me alone in that room ... night after night, feeling ... the steady, unrelenting approach of Him
whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. That which I greatly feared had at last come upon me."

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