Spiritual Warfare Fight Thread...

But the evidence is that there is no such thing as one true church. There is the Church founded by Jesus which is the Roman Catholic Church and a few other churches that are part of that Apostolic Tradition but most Christian churches just hung out a shingle and called themselves Christian.

The problem there Phat is what you assert is just not true. Christianity was just another Jewish sect for hundreds of years and it developed over the centuries just like any religion does. It pretty much did die out and became pretty insignificant until it was adopted as a State Religion and imposed by force and coercion.The way it survived the "Failed Messiah" challenge was to change the meaning on messiah beyond all recognition. But even under the NewSpeak Christian definition of messiah Jesus is still a failed messiah.

It's more than that even. Christianity might well have died out throughout most of its history had it not been for the continued political, economic benefits and coercion inherent in a State religion. Christianity was spread by force; first by Rome, later by western European monarchs and then by colonialists to Asia and the new world. Not quite. Jesus is recognized as a prophet by both Islam and Judaism.Remember that the test of a messiah is what the person did. What someone may do or will do is irrelevant as a test of whether someone is a messiah. While I might believe that Jesus will come again to judge the living and the dead and that Hid kingdom will have no end (sound familiar to you? ) the reality is that that is simply and acknowledgement that Jesus is so far a failed messiah.It was not so much the Gospel that spread Christianity but rather the consequences for not adopting Christianity.Look at US history and list the number of openly atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Taoist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu have been elected to office?Ask yourself if the coercion continues today?

Then provide evidence of what Jesus did that would make Jesus a messiah?Did he create and head a Jewish State?Did he conquer all and end war?Inquiring minds want to know.

Answer the question. The questions were:Then provide evidence of what Jesus did that would make Jesus a messiah?Did he create and head a Jewish State?Did he conquer all and end war?Your response of "Originally, Jesus own commission was only for the Jews. " has nothing to do with the question and unfortunately simply shows that you cannot or will not actually read the Bible.Not only did you try to palm the pea but you also quote mined one small part of a chapter but did not bother to finish reading. This is classic CCoI behavior, find only the pieces parts that support their position and ignore all the parts that refute it.Here is the rest of the section, the stuff you left out:

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22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

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23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

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24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

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26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

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27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

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28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

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So your very own source says that Jesus went beyond just the Jews.Nor does any of that have any relation to what the Great Commission charges us to do.So back to the questions. The Jewish Messiah would set up and rule a Jewish State, end war and rule the whole world.Did Jesus so that?Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Yes, in the Talmud there are a couple passages that may refer to Jesus as being prophetic and doing wonders, but certainly not a major prophet and the connection is tenuous at best.

I'm not sure how to answer that. Do I know of a passage in the Talmud that says "Jesus is a prophet!" No. Are there passages that mention a miracle worker who speaks prophetically? Sure, both in the Talmud and also in the New Testament. Some in Luke come to mind. Remember the Hebrews have a history of ignoring prophets and even killing them.

So let's use the term Rabbi instead of Prophet. Is that better? The very section you link includes such assertions.

LOLIn the New Testament Jesus is referred to as Rabbi in passages that are attributed to being written by Jews.I hope you're having fun with this because it seems pretty silly.

Well Rabbi means a teacher. Does that help?I often have absolutely no idea what Phat is asking about.