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Topic: What is God's Purpose for being?
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Taqless
Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: 12-18-2003
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Your point about idolatry brings to mind a question I've had for a very long time. Why do catholics elaborately, spectacularly, and consistently make and pray to "graven images"?? As with most things christian I have the cynical pov that they have rationalized it in some way, but somehow I've not heard what it is. Do you know?
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 75 (150234)
10-15-2004 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Taqless
10-15-2004 9:22 PM
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If by Catholic you mean Roaman Catholics, they don't pray to graven images as far as I know. But regardless, that's way off topic for this thread. If you want to explore that first check for an existing thread or propose a new one.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Taqless
Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: 12-18-2003
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Message 33 of 75 (150235)
10-15-2004 9:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by jar
10-15-2004 8:00 PM
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Jar,
A two-year-old describes Adam and Eve before "the fall" NOT you and I in this day and age....remember we are aware of sin, right/wrong, consequences and we're asking questions. Better analogy, please.
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Taqless
Member (Idle past 5942 days) Posts: 285 From: AZ Joined: 12-18-2003
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Message 34 of 75 (150236)
10-15-2004 9:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by jar
10-15-2004 9:26 PM
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Alright, graven images as described in the Bible (heaven above earthj below, etc), but you're right the question is off topic.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 35 of 75 (150238)
10-15-2004 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by DC85
10-15-2004 9:20 PM
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Not quite. For the two year old, their only pupose is from above. So the two year old gets direction only externally. But does that mean that the parent must also get direction only externally? Is the form two year olds only get purpose externally. two year olds are humans. adults are human. adults only get purpose externally. logically valid?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 36 of 75 (150245)
10-15-2004 10:36 PM
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What does this have to do with God's purpose? This only Explains why people seem to think they need a purpose...
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 75 (150246)
10-15-2004 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by DC85
10-15-2004 10:36 PM
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Remember the reply button? Back to the series I suggested.
Is the form two year olds only get purpose externally. two year olds are humans. adults are human. adults only get purpose externally. logically valid?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 75 (150247)
10-15-2004 10:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by DC85
10-13-2004 10:36 PM
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Our purpose is to serve and love God correct? Yes, because in loving and doing God's will, coming in tune with his kingdom and program we become blessed by him. We all are somewhat self serving, caring for our own, seeking the good life and so forth. The wise person, however realizes that being in conformity with supreme God and his kingdom, we bless ourselves with the good life here on earth and eternal bliss in Heaven in the afterlife, for he alone, knows what is best for us. Jehovah God, after all, being the top being in the universe, deserves the top priority as to who's purpose and will should prevail.
Is God's purpose to serve himself? He being supreme majesty and in control of all, has the ability to purge out anything from his universe unsuitable to him and bless everything that is suitable to his liking. Thus he is the providential one to whom we should all worship, fear, love, obey and conform to with total allegience. He is not in the universe for us. We are placed in his universe by him for his purpose and pleasure. The sooner we all realize this the better off our personal lives, our communities, our nations and our world will be. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-15-2004 09:56 PM
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 39 of 75 (150248)
10-15-2004 11:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
10-15-2004 10:55 PM
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quote:
He being supreme majesty and in control of all, has the ability to purge out anything from his universe unsuitable to him and bless everything that is suitable to his liking. Thus he is the providential one to whom we should all worship, fear, love, obey and conform to with total allegience. He is not in the universe for us. We are placed in his universe by him for his purpose and pleasure. The sooner we all realize this the better off our personal lives, our communities, our nations and our world will be.
sounds alittle selfish and evil to me... Buz you still didn't answer the question. If all things need assigned purpose.. What is God's and who assigned it?
My site The Atheist Bible My New Debate Fourms!
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 40 of 75 (150250)
10-15-2004 11:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Taqless
10-15-2004 9:22 PM
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off topic
Your point about idolatry brings to mind a question I've had for a very long time. Why do catholics elaborately, spectacularly, and consistently make and pray to "graven images"?? As with most things christian I have the cynical pov that they have rationalized it in some way, but somehow I've not heard what it is. Do you know? the roman catholic church original made images as a form of education: bibles were just as rare as the people who could have read them. people needed pictures, icons. they do not actually worship the icons as deities. but then again, neither did any of the people the bible calls idolatrous. the golden calf, for instance, is nor more an idol than the cherubim on the ark of covenant. nobody in the middle east at that time worshipped idols, although some USED them in worship or offering much like the catholic church.
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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 75 (150252)
10-15-2004 11:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by DC85
10-15-2004 11:07 PM
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Buz you still didn't answer the question. If all things need assigned purpose.. What is God's and who assigned it? Say what?? I directly quoted and answered the following questions from your op, didn't I?
Our purpose is to serve and love God correct? Is God's purpose to serve himself?
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 42 of 75 (150255)
10-16-2004 12:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
10-15-2004 11:34 PM
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Christians claim without a god we have no purpose. So can I assume without a god of his own God has no purpose?
My site The Atheist Bible My New Debate Fourms!
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Tusko
Member (Idle past 130 days) Posts: 615 From: London, UK Joined: 10-01-2004
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Message 43 of 75 (150272)
10-16-2004 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 37 by jar
10-15-2004 10:45 PM
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Woah! I don't get it Jar. Are you saying that because we get purpose externally, like two year olds do, it has to be from a Christian god? That seems a bit of a jump. Sorry - I would have asked this earlier if I'd read what you'd said.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 44 of 75 (150273)
10-16-2004 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Tusko
10-16-2004 10:41 AM
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Actually, the thread is on GOD's purpose and I haven't gotten to that yet. The basic assumption given in the OP is that some Christians say that you can only have purpose if it's from GOD. Right now I'm still just trying to build the logic that would support the contention in the OP. So, since dc hasn't answered, I'll ask you. Do you think the logic in that set is correct?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 45 of 75 (150274)
10-16-2004 11:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by jar
10-16-2004 10:48 AM
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No...I don't need it... However I will agree that christians think support is needed
My site The Atheist Bible My New Debate Fourms!
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