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Author Topic:   Created in the image of God
gene90
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Message 16 of 101 (2343)
01-17-2002 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Minnemooseus
01-17-2002 11:39 AM


Are you sure? See message #6 in this thread.

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Message 17 of 101 (2345)
01-17-2002 4:30 PM
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01-17-2002 3:20 PM


Hmmm looks like he changed his mind...

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Message 18 of 101 (2354)
01-17-2002 5:30 PM
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01-17-2002 4:30 PM


From message 6:

quote:
Its the fact that we are both beings that act similiarly. We both love and feel pain.

I concede, I stand corrected, at least to a degree. But the above quote would also seem to say that the chimps (and probably other non-human species also) have also been, to some degree, created in God's image.

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Message 19 of 101 (2424)
01-18-2002 8:52 PM


females did not "EVOLVE" seperatley form males. Are you really that much of a fundie that you can't see that? ( sorry, ad hominum ) males and females are required for sexual reprodution. the best geuss as to why sexual reproduction domiates over asexual is this: 1) genetic diversity 2)groups are naturally stonger than single animals in a species, mating produes small groups at least and 3)Humans are too complex to reproduce asexually. ( as are any complex multi-cellular organism)
-Kv

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Message 20 of 101 (2446)
01-19-2002 2:32 AM
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01-16-2002 11:10 AM


"So God has a penis then I take it. And is he black/white/asian, is he fat/skinny/anorexic, does he have bad breathe?? "
--Lol, sorry but I couldn't resist, he said 'image of God' not 'as God' seriously considering God having a penis (omg) theres no reproduction, he doesn't eat, and he's all powerful...

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Message 21 of 101 (2447)
01-19-2002 2:35 AM
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01-16-2002 1:40 PM


"We share common characteristics with all life."
--Could this contribute to a 'common designer' as some creationists argue?

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Message 22 of 101 (2450)
01-19-2002 2:39 AM
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01-17-2002 12:14 AM


"We actually DO observe evolution directly both in the lab and in the field, and we see lots of "results of it."
--This is what I would call Devolving or evolution with a lower case 'e', or some would call it 'micro-evolution' also I call it 'variation'. This is a fundimental to the Creation theory and Noah's Flood and speciation (variation) And with bacteria's 20 minute I recall reproduction rate, its going to have alot of variation.

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TrueCreation
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Message 23 of 101 (2451)
01-19-2002 2:43 AM
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01-17-2002 11:03 AM


"I think that's the only feasible interpretation. How can an omnipresent entity have a form? Except when it is deliberately acting in human form for some particular purpose. Yet unlike the biomechanics, which can vary across species adapted to various environments and are always highly specialized, it would seem that the capacity to reason, and to feel, and to have moral values, would be universally similar, whether one is a biological form or something else."
--Ofcourse God has a form, though how will you perceive that form in 5 dimentions? Length, width, height, time, unknown (supernatural). Consider my Mr. Flat and Mrs. Flat analogy as I posted in my 'who created the creator' thread.

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Message 24 of 101 (2455)
01-19-2002 2:47 AM
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01-17-2002 11:39 AM


"Lorenzo is referring to physical appearance, but was the Bible?"
--I think that the bible saying that we were created in the image of God, is reducing the 'complexity' per se of more than our known demtentions to our dementions, in the beginning he would have either gave himself a figure in our dementions so that we could see and understand, or he just gave us the understanding and we lost it.

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Message 25 of 101 (2810)
01-26-2002 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by TrueCreation
01-19-2002 2:43 AM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"I think that's the only feasible interpretation. How can an omnipresent entity have a form? Except when it is deliberately acting in human form for some particular purpose. Yet unlike the biomechanics, which can vary across species adapted to various environments and are always highly specialized, it would seem that the capacity to reason, and to feel, and to have moral values, would be universally similar, whether one is a biological form or something else."
--Ofcourse God has a form, though how will you perceive that form in 5 dimentions? Length, width, height, time, unknown (supernatural). Consider my Mr. Flat and Mrs. Flat analogy as I posted in my 'who created the creator' thread.

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I'm curious....why woulkd God need a form exactly? and why would you assume that God exists in 5 dimentions?....and while we're at it,why would you assume that there are 5 dimentions...why not 6 or 13 or 138284874738?


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Message 26 of 101 (2825)
01-26-2002 1:25 PM
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01-26-2002 6:37 AM


"I'm curious....why woulkd God need a form exactly? and why would you assume that God exists in 5 dimentions?....and while we're at it,why would you assume that there are 5 dimentions...why not 6 or 13 or 138284874738?"
--God would need a form to be an existant entity, like I said though, who can know what this form is as we cannot even describe a demention that he lives in whether it be a 5th demention or your 138284874738th demention, we could never even contemplate such a number so 5 seems reasonable as the supernatural demention may have dementions in its own. Who can know.

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Message 27 of 101 (2827)
01-26-2002 1:29 PM
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01-26-2002 1:25 PM


but why would God need a form? are you not placing a human limitation on a supernatural being? And why would that be a set form? why would we assume that this form is that of a male...or even a female? Why would you assume that God could not exist in whatever dimention it choses?

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TrueCreation
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Message 28 of 101 (2837)
01-26-2002 2:02 PM
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01-26-2002 1:29 PM


"but why would God need a form? are you not placing a human limitation on a supernatural being? And why would that be a set form? why would we assume that this form is that of a male...or even a female? Why would you assume that God could not exist in whatever dimention it choses?"
--I already emphesized this above, as we cannot say that any of this is true accept that the supernatural is obviously another dimention and we cannot observe it, thus we cannot say that he has any characteristic, unless you enter into a theological implication, thus we move into the bible. The bible says we were created in the image of god, so we know God has a form, this does not limit him at all, as he is known to be infinantly knowledgable of his creation, he spans the universe with his hand. I am not putting a human limitation on a supernatural being. I once heard a saying, 'if God were small enough for me to figure out, he would not be worthy of worship'. God inspired the bible to be how we can understand it. As in my Mr. and Mrs. Flat analogy, you cannot explain in at all detail the implications of a 3D world to a 2D understanding. Genious is being able to reduce the complex terms to a simple form, exactly what the Bible does.

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Message 29 of 101 (2840)
01-26-2002 2:08 PM
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01-26-2002 2:02 PM


Actually,your argument is based on the assumption that the "super-natural" does exist in the first place and that there are more than 4 dimention to existance. Care to present evidence to support those assumptions? Also Is not God said to be omni-potent? Does that not imply that there exists nothing that God cannot accomplish,including making itself understandable to us while still remaining a God worthy of worship.

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Message 30 of 101 (2842)
01-26-2002 2:16 PM
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01-26-2002 2:08 PM


"Actually,your argument is based on the assumption that the "super-natural" does exist in the first place and that there are more than 4 dimention to existance."
--This is what you are arguing against, so this is what I am arguing for as your question does not involve science and is purely supernatural, thus speculation, and my faith in the bible.

"Care to present evidence to support those assumptions? Also Is not God said to be omni-potent? Does that not imply that there exists nothing that God cannot accomplish,including making itself understandable to us while still remaining a God worthy of worship."
--Yes he is omni-potent, which is a synonym for infinite, we are not infinite thus cannot fully understand his purpose.

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