A listing of the contradictions and errors in the bible.

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Originally posted by Andya Primanda:
John 1:25 And they [[asked him, and] said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

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If I'm not misquoting there, the verse is supposed to be about the Pharisees asking John the Baptist (Prophet Yahya to us), about his identity if he is not 1)Christ (he is clearly not Jesus Christ) 2)Elias (not sure who this is but I think John is not Elias) or 3) THAT PROPHET.

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Who could THAT PROPHET be? Prophet Muhammad?

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To give a direct answer to a direct question, "that prophet" is the prophet spoken of by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-22.

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15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

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16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

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17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

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18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

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19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

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20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

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21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

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22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

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Another reference to "that prophet" can be found in Acts 3:18-26.

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18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

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19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

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20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

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21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the aworld began.

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22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, 1 A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

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23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

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24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

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25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

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26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

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And one more reference can be found in Acts 7:37-39.

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37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

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38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

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39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,

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So then "that prophet" which is spoken of in John 1:25 is Jesus Christ. John answered the Pharisees question by pointing them to Christ.

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26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

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27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

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By the way, I believe Muhammad would meet the criterion for a false prophet as given in Deuteronomy.

The debate over the Bible's teachings of a flat earth has already been addressed in the thread, "There you go, YECs...biblical "evidence" of "flat earth beliefs." The geocentric concept was also addressed in that thread.

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Originally posted by Wordswordsman:
A circle, a closed gometric figure defined such that all the points on the circle are at a constant distance from a center. This distance is called the radius of the circle.

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You might find it helpful to note that Isaiah does not say that the earth is a circle. Instead, he states that there is a "circle of the earth." Meaning that the earth has a circle not that the earth is a circle.You might also find it of interest that the phrase reads "sitteth on the circle" rather than "sitteth on the earth which is a circle." One cannot sit on the edge of a truly two dimensional circle; thus, sitting on the circle itself implies a three dimensional object. It is not necessary to search for some definition of a circle which allows for all three dimensions.

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Originally posted by John:
I think maybe you over-estimate the ancient mariners. The 'sea-faring' civilizations stayed within site of land. Now if you stay within sight of land and all of your buddies hug the coast as well, you aren't going to see many boats come over the horizon. The boats were low to the water, thereby obscuring the effect you mention. You might be talking about a damned obvious effect if you are watching a 250 foot four mast schooner come over the horizon, but if that boat is a 30 foot row boat? Not so obvious. And lets not forget about waves tossing all of the little boats about, further obscuring the observations.

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You might be suprised by the amount of evidence that has been presented for ancient transatlantic travel. The book America BC pesents several archeological studies of ancient European and Egyptian presence in America and a simple search of "America BC" will reveal several internet pages which address the same topic. However, it is possible to observe the curvature of the earth without a long ocean voyage. The same curvature which causes one to see a ship dissapear over the horizon, will also cause one to see distant mountains rising out of the desert. Thus it is certainly possible that the ancient Hebrews were cognizant of the spherical shape of the earth, especially after their forty years of nomadic life.

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Originally posted by nos482:
Wow, you've really outdone yourself. You made that dog jump through a flaming hoop. I'm impressed at your level of self-delusion. Now, if you could only do something about that smell.

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While I do not agree with all of Wordswordsman's comments and while I do not always appreciate his attitude, I think that your comments are in violation with the forum rules. Rules three and four state:

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Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach."

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Assertions should be supported with either explanations and/or evidence for why the assertion is true. Bare assertions are strongly discouraged.

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Notice that rule three does not allow for a lessening of respect after another debater displays disrespect. Respect for the opponent is still the rule regardless of his actions.Please also notice that, in keeping with rule four, any assertion regarding someone's character should be supported with explanations and/or evidence for its validity.Therefore, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making negative comments similar to the one above.Thank You

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Originally posted by nos482:
All you have to do is read what he has been posting and you'll see that I'm justified in my opinion of him. He does everything he can to make whatever you say fit into his beliefs. Not only does he jump through hoops he'll bring in the the entire circus to do it.

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But, hey, you're new here and after awhile you'll come to see this as well. That is unless you like banging your head against a dense wall.

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The justification of your opinion does not justify the posting of that opinion against forum rules.