A listing of the contradictions and errors in the bible.

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Originally posted by nos482:
Yes, I definitely think that he has been eating a lot of crap.

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WS: Take a little advice. That is a highly irrational statement based on pure opinion based on no evidence at all. I could begin to assume you are representative of evolutionists here, since apparently few object to your line of reasoning. Or more likely people are ignoring this topic now that they are treated to such a response as that above. You do damage to yourself and to your cause.You are demonstrating that your personal knowledge about the list posted in post #1 is probably non-existent, that you can't defend what you presented. You should stick to topics you know a little about. I suggest closure of the topic, else your personal credibility will be neutralized time and again, damaging your impact elsewhere, wherever uyou go. This hit and run tactic is not appropriate, nor is there a show of support for the forum rules by not supporting what is posted in a blatant manner. Act your age. If you are a 13 year old, then try to act like an adult anyway while here. Emulation is possible even without experience or understanding of adult behavior.

Good, I can't smell a thing.

[QUOTE][B]Act your age. If you are a 13 year old, then try to act like an adult anyway while here. Emulation is possible even without experience or understanding of adult behavior.[/QUOTE][/B]Well, I see that you've also encountered Nos.

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[QUOTE][B]Act your age. If you are a 13 year old, then try to act like an adult anyway while here. Emulation is possible even without experience or understanding of adult behavior.[/QUOTE]

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Well, I see that you've also encountered Nos.

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Believe me, you don't want to side with him. He makes you look like an atheist. Plus, he also thinks that you're going to hell for being a heretic as well because you accept Evoluton. At least you're reasonable on some topics, he's just plain nuts IMO.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-23-2002]

Heh, ok. Noted.I *am* an evo and I do prefer to side with other evos.My ongoing diatribe against atheism is just a sideshow.

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Believe me, you don't want to side with him. He makes you look like an atheist. Plus, he also thinks that you're going to hell for being a heretic as well because you accept Evoluton. At least you're reasonable on some topics, he's just plain nuts IMO.

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Hi Nos,I wonder if you wouldn't mind stepping back within the bounds of good taste by staying on topic and addressing yourself substantively to the issues. Thanks!--------------------EvC Forum Administrator

Nos: "Plus, he also thinks that you're going to hell for being a heretic as well because you accept Evoluton."WS: Only one thing guarantees a place in hell, and that is unbelief concerning the savior Jesus Christ. Other beliefs are merely indicators of a person's position with God concerning eternal destiny. Evolution theory belief in itself is not evil. It becomes evil when it is used to supplant the truth of the Word of God which defines who is condemned already for their unbelief. After all, the theory is but an explanation of how most scientists think life evolved from more primitive life forms. I know several Christians who I think are not condemned becaue of their belief in evolution, being 'theistic evolutionists' for lack of the probably proper term, each of them holding different views, as do most evolutionists among school teachers disagree on many points. But, those Christians have not compromised their biblical beliefs, holding onto evolution theory as a lesser belief they would doubtless discard if forced to choose between the two as absolute truth.

Sniff, sniff. Nope I can't smell anything now.

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WS: Only one thing guarantees a place in hell, and that is unbelief concerning the savior Jesus Christ. Other beliefs are merely indicators of a person's position with God concerning eternal destiny. Evolution theory belief in itself is not evil. It becomes evil when it is used to supplant the truth of the Word of God which defines who is condemned already for their unbelief. After all, the theory is but an explanation of how most scientists think life evolved from more primitive life forms. I know several Christians who I think are not condemned becaue of their belief in evolution, being 'theistic evolutionists' for lack of the probably proper term, each of them holding different views, as do most evolutionists among school teachers disagree on many points. But, those Christians have not compromised their biblical beliefs, holding onto evolution theory as a lesser belief they would doubtless discard if forced to choose between the two as absolute truth.

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Talking 'bout salvation claims... Strangely, I happen to adhere to a view that someone can be sent to hell if he/she accepts any substitute for God. That includes Jesus. He's not God to us Muslims.

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WS: Only one thing guarantees a place in hell, and that is unbelief concerning the savior Jesus Christ. Other beliefs are merely indicators of a person's position with God concerning eternal destiny. Evolution theory belief in itself is not evil. It becomes evil when it is used to supplant the truth of the Word of God which defines who is condemned already for their unbelief. After all, the theory is but an explanation of how most scientists think life evolved from more primitive life forms. I know several Christians who I think are not condemned becaue of their belief in evolution, being 'theistic evolutionists' for lack of the probably proper term, each of them holding different views, as do most evolutionists among school teachers disagree on many points. But, those Christians have not compromised their biblical beliefs, holding onto evolution theory as a lesser belief they would doubtless discard if forced to choose between the two as absolute truth.

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Talking 'bout salvation claims... Strangely, I happen to adhere to a view that someone can be sent to hell if he/she accepts any substitute for God. That includes Jesus. He's not God to us Muslims.

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Praise be to Mohammed! Hey, Wordswordsman wants to have a "My god is better than your god" pissing contest with you. You better get your nose plugs ready. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Talking 'bout salvation claims... Strangely, I happen to adhere to a view that someone can be sent to hell if he/she accepts any substitute for God. That includes Jesus. He's not God to us Muslims.WS: You have opened the door to fair rebuttal. I am prepared for you. What is or is not god to Muslims has no weight with Christians or Jews. Abraham worshipped Jehovah, the Lord God. Islam insults Abraham. If any substitution, it was the adoption of the pagan Moon god "Allah", surely rolling Abraham over in his grave. It took the forgeries and myths of Muhammad to twist the truth, many cenuries after the Torah stood unchallenged. Where was "Allah" all those centuries, failing to reveal himself to Ishmael and to many generations of his sons?Islam insults one of their very own prophets, Jesus, refusing to accept His words. Jesus and His disciples made claims which the muslims deny, therefore making their claim he is one of their prophets a lie, for any prophet offering untruth was a false prophet then and now. Can't Islam discern their prophets from the false? The truth is Jesus is NOT a prophet of Islam, for Jesus supported no false religion, but served the living God, His Father in heaven. He can't be a prophet of Islam since that would make Him a liar. He declines the offer, fellow. Find another prophet. Better advice, change religions. You are drawn to the false prophets. Listen to the true ones, those of the Holy Bible.

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WS: You have opened the door to fair rebuttal. I am prepared for you. What is or is not god to Muslims has no weight with Christians or Jews. Abraham worshipped Jehovah, the Lord God. Islam insults Abraham. If any substitution, it was the adoption of the pagan Moon god "Allah", surely rolling Abraham over in his grave. It took the forgeries and myths of Muhammad to twist the truth, many cenuries after the Torah stood unchallenged. Where was "Allah" all those centuries, failing to reveal himself to Ishmael and to many generations of his sons?
Islam insults one of their very own prophets, Jesus, refusing to accept His words. Jesus and His disciples made claims which the muslims deny, therefore making their claim he is one of their prophets a lie, for any prophet offering untruth was a false prophet then and now. Can't Islam discern their prophets from the false? The truth is Jesus is NOT a prophet of Islam, for Jesus supported no false religion, but served the living God, His Father in heaven. He can't be a prophet of Islam since that would make Him a liar. He declines the offer, fellow. Find another prophet. Better advice, change religions. You are drawn to the false prophets. Listen to the true ones, those of the Holy Bible.

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Should I pick up his challenge? Maybe.The prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) worships Allah. Whether you call Him Jehovah or anything, it's irrelevant. All those refers to the same God. FYI, the local Christians here used the word 'Allah' for God!(6:4)Qad kanat lakum oswatun hasanatun fee ibraheema waallatheena maAAahu ith qaloo liqawmihim inna buraao minkum wamimma taAAbudoona min dooni Allahi kafarna bikum wabada baynana wabaynakumu alAAadawatu waalbaghdao abadan hatta tu/minoo biAllahi wahdahu illa qawla ibraheema li-abeehi laastaghfiranna laka wama amliku laka mina Allahi min shay-in rabbana AAalayka tawakkalna wa-ilayka anabna wa-ilayka almaseeru
YusufAli: There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: 'We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone': But not when Abraham said to his father: 'I will pray for forgiveness for thee, though I have no power (to get) aught on thy behalf from Allah.' (They prayed): 'Our Lord! in Thee do we trust, and to Thee do we turn in repentance: to Thee is (our) Final Goal.Allah do reveals His word to the Children of Israel, through His prophets Moses, David, Solomon, Zachariah, John the Baptist, and Jesus. However, the Israelites refused to notice them. Take these Qur'anic verses (which comes with the original script):(61:5)Wa-ith qala Moosa liqawmihi ya qawmi lima tu/thoonanee waqad taAAlamoona annee rasoolu Allahi ilaykum falamma zaghoo azagha Allahu quloobahum waAllahu la yahdee alqawma alfasiqeena
YusufAli: And remember, Moses said to his people: 'O my people! why do ye vex and insult me, though ye know that I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you?' Then when they went wrong, Allah let their hearts go wrong. For Allah guides not those who are rebellious transgressors.Moses was the prophet sent to the Israelites; therefore this verse shows what the Israelites think of Allah's messenger. They are the ones doing the serious insult.(61:6)Wa-ith qala 'Iisaa ibnu Maryama ya Banee Isra-eela innee rasoolu Allahi ilaykum musaddiqan lima bayna yadayya mina alttawrati wamubashshiran birasoolin ya/tee min baAAdee ismuhu Ahmadu falamma jaahum bialbayyinati qaloo hatha sihrun mubeenun
YusufAli: And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.' But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, 'this is evident sorcery!'The verse states that Jesus referred to himself as a messenger of Allah (rasool Allah) and he said that there will be another messenger after him, Ahmad (Muhammad). But the Israelites denied Allah's words, again. Muslims acknowledge Moses & Jesus as prophets. However, the highest authority is Allah and His word the Qur'an.Because of the Israelites' stubbornness, Allah then revealed His word to the Arabs via Prophet Muhammad. And He promised to keep His word in authenticity; the Qur'an's original text has not changed since its revelation, while the Bible underwent some evolution of sorts because of translation and retranslation and personal touches. It didn't even have an original text. Why should I prefer it?

Sword, maybe you'd like to check this article by Ahmed Deedat (Sorry for having to call back-up but Mr Deedat is the authority in this topic).http://www.themodernreligion.com/...ive/christ/bible_muh.htm

Dear Andya, Dear wordswordsmanInteresting stuff, guys.
If I understand properly than both "christians" and "muslims" worship the same god.Andya, you state that:"YusufAli: And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.' But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, 'this is evident sorcery!'The verse states that Jesus referred to himself as a messenger of Allah (rasool Allah) and he said that there will be another messenger after him, Ahmad (Muhammad). But the Israelites denied Allah's words, again. Muslims acknowledge Moses & Jesus as prophets. However, the highest authority is Allah and His word the Qur'an."I wonder:"If Jesus is a messenger of Allah, and since --historically speaking--the New Testament was written before the Qur'an does the Bible mention that there will be another messenger after Jesus? That would back up Andya's claim. At least, if the Bible is the word of Allah."Best wishes,
Peter[This message has been edited by peter borger, 09-29-2002]