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Author Topic:   A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?
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Message 3 of 35 (479161)
08-25-2008 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bambootiger
08-24-2008 7:14 PM


The akjv says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. I believe the other versions the translators added an s to heaven thus brought confusion to the chapter of genesis to make it seem to be about the heavens when if one reads it singularly its about creating heaven (firmament) and earth (dry land).
akjv genesis 1:1 its not about the heavens but the earth (dry land soil, granite foundations) and heaven (an atmosphere) of our world were created in the beginning of the creation week.
akjv Genesis 1:2 is saying our world was void and formless and that the earth was covered by the waters because darkness was upon the face of the deep. akjv genesis 1:2.
akjv genesis 1:9 confirms where it says he gathered the waters to one place and said let the dry land appear and it was so.
akjv Hebrews 1:10 too talks of God laying the foundations of the earth and that the heavens are also the work of his hands.
p.s. Kent Hovind in debate with Hugh Ross said that by the Word its either a 24 hour day or a 1,000 year day.
I personally believe in the 1,000 year day because akjv genesis 1:1 its about how God took our World in his hands and created the firmament that he called heaven not the heavens (akjv genesis 1:8) and the dry land (akjv genesis 1:10) that he called Earth. If you read the first chapter of genesis that is what happened in the beginning of the creation week (day 1 and 2) the creation of the atmosphere (heaven) and the creation of dry land (earth). It never was talking about the creation of the heavens nor when he created this world or that the name of this world is the Earth. He did not call the world earth but the dry land he called Earth. akjv genesis 1:10.
P.S. And the devil changed all them other bible versions to say heavens and the earth. Hebrews 1:10 the Word says the heavens too are the work of his hands but the foundations of the earth are about the raising up of the earth coming up out of the waters of the world void and formless referred to in genesis 1:2. The bible simply does not say how old our world is but the earth was created approximately 13,000-10,000 years ago if one day is as a thousand years akjv 2 peter 3:8.
The fossil record is no older than 10,000 years and evidence of accelerated decay in that according to creationists no primordial polonium exists given that radon gas is parent to polonium and the multitudes of polonium halo's proves it has to be primordial polonium. That not being present suggest accelerated decay in agreement with the sun being a torch for the first 3 creation 1,000 year days. It might be that the earth was radioactive and God used the suns gamma radiation to accelerate the decay rate removing all primordial polonium in creating the earth. This evidence (polonium halos) according to creationist (Gentry)appears to rule out an old earth. However does it rule out an old world since the creation of this world before the creation of the dry land. Since they are always dating the earth guess its a young earth, the world might be old but the earth is young.
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Message 9 of 35 (479186)
08-25-2008 10:56 AM
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08-25-2008 10:33 AM


Yep, A lot of prophecy will be fullfilled in this "The day of the Lord."
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Message 10 of 35 (479193)
08-25-2008 11:30 AM
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08-25-2008 6:30 AM


God said he would preserve his Word for all generations all your other bible versions have been compromised by man.
I take genesis 1:1 to be about our world that he created the atmosphere(heaven) and he created the dry land (earth)given the entire chapter is about our world.
Man has called our World the EARTH but God in the book of genesis called only the dry land: EARTH. In describing our world the dry land existed under the waters of genesis 1:2 !!!!!!! akjv genesis 1:10 I mean with all the waters in the oceans akjv genesis 1:2 is about our world, before it had dry land or an atmosphere.
Its been said if you smoothed the earth so no depressions or mountains you would have approximately 1/2 mile of water covering our world which is basically what akjv genesis 1:2 is saying what our world void and formless looked like before the dry land came forth out of the waters akjv genesis 1:10, etc...
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Message 17 of 35 (479275)
08-25-2008 9:54 PM
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08-25-2008 8:49 PM


Re: I agree here
Yes John I do, but that does not mean it is the same length of day as mentioned in Genesis.
Adam died 930 years old fullfilling the prophecy that in the day he ate he died. akjv genesis 2:17 & akjv genesis 5:5 & akjv 2 peter 3:8.
If Adam would of died 1001 years old he would not of died in the day he ate. It would of violated scripture.
P.S. akjv 2 peter 3:8 says "and a" thousand years as one day.
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Message 26 of 35 (479419)
08-27-2008 3:22 AM
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08-26-2008 8:15 PM


Re: I agree here
John,
That is one of the two possible explanations. The other one is that God's point of view Adam did die on that day when he sinned by pulling away from his life source, disconnecting from God, so to speak. Like if you unplug a fan from your point of view you turned it off, but it may still spin for a little while. This in particular is not something commented on by any other Bile writer so you explanation you offered is as good as any.
It says: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. akjv genesis 5:5
Jesus died yet is the first to be resurrected into an incorruptible body that he is alive forevermore, and has the keys to hell and of death.
Job appears was looking forward to the resurrection of the body from the grave. And that he would be present bodily with all the Saints when our LORD and God stands upon the earth in that latter day.
akjv Job 19:26 is not Job talking about the redeemer living and that he shall stand at "the latter day" upon the earth: And in verse 27 saying in his own flesh would he see God?
akjv Zechariah 14:5 And he Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Is not this the beginning of the latter day when the Lord God sets his feet upon the mount of olives.
P.S. It appears Sacred texts of the Books of Adam and Eve agree with akjv 2 peter 3:8 that there is merit that a thousand years is but one day.
If the prophecy of the 5 and 1/2 days was given to Adam 500 years into day 6 you would have 5,500 years plus the 5,500 year prophecy to the birth of Christ plus 2,000 years to the present giving us an approximate age of the heaven and earth of 13,000 years.
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Concerning the promise of the great five days and a half.
GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the
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[paragraph continues] Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
CHAP. XIV.
The earliest prophecy of the coming of Christ.
But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."
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Message 30 of 35 (479460)
08-27-2008 12:22 PM
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08-27-2008 6:12 AM


Re: I agree here
John,
Job and Zechariah have nothing to do with the topic, and you are adding something to the Bible.
(Revelation 22:18) 18 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;
I'm not changing the wording of the bible nor the wording of the scriptures in the sacred texts unlike all them other new age bible versions including the TEV.
Where is the prophecy out of Egypt have I called my son mentioned in the bible other than akjv matthew 2:15 ? Is it not about those 5 and 1/2 days in respect to Adam and the Word? Out of Egypt have I called my son.
I agree one should not alter the words of any of the other sacred texts of scripture even those that were not included in the bible.
However where is the book of Nathan the book of Jehru, just because All Scriptures were not included in the bible does not mean all scriptures are not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
P.S. Yet by the time given for these events to happen by the scriptures it gives you approximately 13,000 years since God made our worlds heaven and earth.
akjv 2Ti 3:16 "All Scripture" is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
akjv 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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Message 34 of 35 (479518)
08-28-2008 1:13 AM
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08-27-2008 10:25 PM


Re: But context defines it meaning
What it doesn't say is that the sventh day had an end.
It says on the seventh day God rested from "ALL" his Works.
However after approximately 1000 years of the seventh day did not the flood come that the world that was then perished being overflowed with water? 2 peter 3:6 & 2 peter 3:8. It says he rested from all his Works on the seventh day however the World Flood happened shortly after the seventh day. Do the math the flood happened when Noah was 600 years old and the generations started with Seth when Adam was 130 years on the sixth day and the years to the flood by the geneologies were approximately 1656 years. akjv genesis 5.
I love the rest though cause in God is a special place of rest to them that believe. akjv psalm 91 Is not this why the Jews missed the visitation and why it pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to save them that believe?
Did not God give Noah 120 years to build the ark? approximately shortly after the seventh day? My take is there is a special place of rest that exists to believers. It says in Hebrew 4:4 he did rest from "ALL" his Works on the seventh day. akjv psalm 104:9 in respect to the flood happening shortly after the seventh day because God destroyed the old earth with a flood yet set a bound that the waters may not again pass over the earth.
akjv hebrews 4:4-5 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God "did" rest the seventh day from "all" his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
P.S. It does not say he is resting but that he did rest, etc...
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Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28
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