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Originally posted by Philip:
--A ‘cold’ yet ‘hellish’ outer darkness is seen to inundate >99% of universe. Temperatures are near absolute zero. No life-forms are detectable therein.
Not detected does not mean not existent. That's like my claiming there are no lions 'cause i can't see them from my house.
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--Science and mathematics (to a great extent) appear useless in such a void.
Really? Maybe you should inform all the scientists and mathematicians.
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B) The phenomenon light is observed/detected — electromagnetic radiation.
--‘Brightness’ and ‘Warmth’ is seen and felt here amidst the great ‘darkness’ of space.
--Sophisticated science with mathematically measurable parameters, are now detectable, including, ‘special relativistic phenomenon’ (‘E=MC2’).
And?
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1. Lower skies manifest violent meteorological instability.
I repeat. And?
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Universal expanse and expansion detectable as orderly:
Please please please make an argument.
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1. Ominous appearing ‘oceans of fire’ detectable below the earth’s strata and ‘oceans of water above’.
--‘Volcanic upheavals’, earthquakes, etc.
--Floods, tidal waves, etc.
Wow! Now that is an imagination.
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2. Innumerable vegetations/fruits decay:
--Rotting, decaying, burning, etc.
Gee. Stuff dies. That's proof.
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--Many grains threaten extinction if neglected by human farming.
I am currently discussing this with someone else. Take a look.
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=7&t=27&p=20
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1. Powerful land boundaries/masses
You seem to be arguing that the planet was designed for us because we can exist on it and make use of it. That is backwards. We can survive on the planet cause that's the environment we've got. If we couldn't survive here we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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A) Innumerable battered moons and other celestial orbs that appear arbitrary and wasted.
--An infinite number of celestial orbs appear damaged, ‘aborted’, useless, pointless, strung out without any apparent purpose, etc.
--Star systems appear to be dying — ‘red dwarfs’, etc.
--An infinitude of planets appear unfavorable to sustain life.
This supports ID?
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B) Celestial luminaries observed for (diurnal) time-clocks and beneficial cyclic seasonal effects, with other potential appearing uses.
--Peculiar harmonies, symmetries, and proportions are observed in numerous stellar systems. ‘Dish’-like orbital symmetry seen in our lunar rotation and solar system, and most galaxies.
--Stars have a relatively long-appearing life cycle.
--Trans-earth habitation appears remotely promising, at least pending extensive supernatural and/or scientific intervention.
This is just silly. God designed the universe so that we can have clocks? Please.
Ok. I can't take any more of this. Lets skip down some shall we?
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--dogs fight cats, snakes ‘charm’ victims, numerous predators instigate ‘terror’.
--Sickness, crying, travailing and groaning amidst all diverse life-forms and man.
--Pedophiliacs, murderers, terrorists
--Wars: Nation against nation, etc.
--Sickness and aging goes on without ceasing. Metastasis and cancer abounds.
--Crying and groaning in all upper life forms.
--Divorce, adultery, fornication, immorality, pornography --> ‘nuclear family’ decay.
--Unrestrained ‘free wills’ appear everywhere to conflict with each other.
This supports ID? That is one scary intelligence.
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B.) Songs of ‘deliverance’ heard among humans.
Are you sure this isn't due to the actions of Allah, Buddha, Zeus, Breed, Shiva, Baron Samedi, or aliens?
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The personality behind such an intelligent design (ID) here would commiserate with all ‘sin-cursed’ observations and ‘redemptive’ ones. Such a personality is explicitly apparent in the Christ-Creator model, a Christ who himself became completely ‘sin-cursed’ but ‘risen from the dead’, redeeming the creation thereby. The natural marks of such redeeming events appear everywhere as expected under the ‘evangelical’-creationist hypothesis.
...more consistent with the personality of a raging psychopath....
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--Are not books are analogous to telescopes:
uhhh..... no.
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they enable you to focus upon specific events, physical and/or metaphysical.
Those specific events being the opinions in the minds of the authors and nothing more. It has nothing to do with the world outside that mind, except where th author points to reproducible observation.
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The Bible addresses this metaphysical event, apriori.
Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible addresses this metaphysical event, but that doesn't mean he's right. You can point to hundreds of book which address ethic and morality, but I don't see what that has to do with suggesting ID.
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