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Author Topic:   MrHambre - Abiogenesis and Origins
Loudmouth
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Message 6 of 20 (96037)
03-30-2004 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
03-30-2004 1:56 PM


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I agree, you can't make an experiment in which you can come to know the answer as to G-d's existence, but abiogenesis does step on the toes of the religious even more controversially than evolution.
Why should science change a very successful strategy, not because it doesn't work, but because it steps on the toes of a religious sect? To me, this would be bad science, rerouting an investigation because of a personal or emotional bias.

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Loudmouth
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Message 14 of 20 (96335)
03-31-2004 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by mike the wiz
03-31-2004 7:56 AM


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So many times here I've been told that science has no opinion on G-d, yet this quote interests me, would you suggest that scientifically a belief in G-d is not correct?
  —Mike the wiz
Not to belittle anyones faith, but your post could have been rephrased to read "would you suggest that scientifically a preference for blondes is not correct?" Religious beliefs come down to a type of personal preference (a stronger preference than hair color I would presume, just using an example). Science does not deal with personal preference or religious belief, only with what affects the natural world/phenomena. I could also ask if it is theologically correct to prefer lush rainforests to an arid desert. No theology that I know of demands that its followers prefer rainforests to deserts.
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but if we assume that a naturalistic means is the only possibility for life to emerge, that almost suggests or = no G-d, and/or a "chance" existence.
It is just suggesting that God did not act through supernatural mechanisms to create life but instead relied on the natural laws that were set up during the creation of the universe during the Big Bang. There is room for a belief in God within abiogenesis. Maybe not as large a role as some would want, but a role nonetheless.
As far as life being a product of "chance", stating this disregards the vast amount of chance that we experience every day. Your genetic makeup is due to chance, due to the random shuffling of genes during meiosis of both your father's sperm and your mother's egg. The country and city you were born in could be considered chance. Just a personal example, there is a beautiful mountain range near where I live called the Sawtooths. To me, these are some of the most beautiful mountains in the world. However, these were formed by random mechanisms of uplift and erosion. Just because chance was part of their formation does not detract from their beauty. To sum up, chance is not a bad thing but rather something we live with from minute to minute and we still love life regardless. There is no reason to be a control freak is what I am trying to say.

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Loudmouth
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Message 16 of 20 (96346)
03-31-2004 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by mike the wiz
03-31-2004 12:48 PM


Re: You win
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You guys are so close to making me an evo' right now I can almost completely give in.
And just remember, no matter what our religious convictions are, we don't want you to change yours. The last thing I want to see on this site is someone give up their faith due to them changing their YEC position. Some of us may not stress this enough, but evolution is not propaganda contrived to create more athiests, nor should it be. Good luck on your next thousands posts and best regards.

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