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anastasia
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Message 31 of 117 (414394)
08-04-2007 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by macaroniandcheese
08-03-2007 3:11 PM


Re: August 1, Genesis.
brenna writes:
I quite agree. i'm interested in seeing where either idea of god is demonstrated in the rest of the text. i think this second god is the one who fought with jacob. it is this god i want to know. i wonder which god is the god of job? i wonder what modern christianity would be like if we really knew the god of genesis 2. our god is so distant and aloof, even though we talk about him being very present. is it just that nasty modern thought which demands that god be distant because of the lack of evidence?
Transcendancy is pretty important in establishing the power, or magnitude, or scope of God. It would seem odd to think of a God who was not in some manner transcendent.
To me it is slightly more interesting that such a personal God would be established in Genesis. If that story was indeed written first, it may be a reflection of a revolution in worship. What was the catalyst for the new 'God'?
Why does no one bother to tell us what God is like? Pretty possibly there were other stories at one time, but if you look at Genesis as pure myth, why are there no tales of how God came to be, as there are in many other religions? Why is it so incomplete and mysterious?

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anastasia
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Message 33 of 117 (414405)
08-04-2007 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by macaroniandcheese
08-04-2007 1:03 AM


Re: August 1, Genesis.
brenna writes:
because it's a mystery religion. well, christianity is. i know that's not the kind of answer you wanted to hear. but do a bit of reading on them. you're not supposed to know all the answers until you reach that level of initiation. that kinda got lost at some point.
No, it's not what I wanted to hear. I know about the mystery cults, and they were pretty bogus, at least compared with a religion that HAS a text to base itself on.
I was raised Byzantine Catholic. ALL of the churches have a set of doors before the altar which recall a time when only the 'initiated' were admitted to the mysteries of the Eucharist. The part where the celebrant flags the catechumens by closing the doors is written into the liturgy to this day.
Christianity itself is not a mystery religion,even if it picked up some of the antics. I am well indoctrinated, and I still do not know why Genesis does not start with 'in the beginning was a man with a long white beard'.
I am being stupid, I know, but if you look at other cultures, there are plentiful elaborated stories of how a person achieved god status. I don't see that Genesis didn't WANT us to have all the answers, but it is more likely they got lost or were never remembered at the end of an oral tradition.
what we don't know about the jewish god has either been lost, or we don't know cause we're not jewish.
We aren't, but we can look it up.
Jewish people are not interested in knowing God through Jesus, and it is time I knew how THEY picture God.
"Every Jew must believe and know that there exists a First Being, without beginning or end, who brought all things into existence and continues to sustain them. This Being is God." [Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzato, in his 18th century work, The Way of God]
Take something like this, and it appears the same wall has been erected for Jewish people. Since the Bible is silent on the origins of God, do we for want of information conclude that God had no beginning? If we start to look at Scripture as only literature, is there not the temptation to 'write in' the missing parts?
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anastasia
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Message 35 of 117 (414409)
08-04-2007 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by macaroniandcheese
08-04-2007 1:34 AM


Re: August 1, Genesis.
brenna writes:
no. i agree. i was discussing what christianity was through various periods. and technically, christianity is a mystery religion. but it's really not important.
I don't agree with the 'technically' part. The most you can say is that Catholicism has retained a little of the ceremony of mystery, but all of the doctrine is pretty well continued Judaeism.
that's a very good attitude. i'd recommend a reformed synagogue. just because. it's a good place to start and it'll be really different from your orthodox upbringing. go for a few weeks and then look into a serious bible study. i have no idea what you'll find. i've not made that step yet. after that, start reading theses and stuff on your own. but i'd really say it's best to get a good look at how their brains work before diving in with your own ideas.
I just moved, and I was living right down the street from an orthodox synagogue. Call me strange, but I am one of those strict believers in attendence at one's own church, and since I don't do that often now, I highly doubt I will go to a synagogue or a Bible study.
I am in a joking mood, my bad, but I am pretty familiar with the Jewish God concept. The problem is that Jewish people are making the same extractions from the same texts as we are, and it doesn't go far in determining the original intent or view of the writers of Genesis.

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