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Jazzns
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Message 48 of 80 (410668)
07-16-2007 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by MartinV
07-16-2007 2:35 PM


Really BAD analogy.
If another civilisation digged up in year 20.000 some big shop's computer network it wouldn't be correct making assumption that language Java running on servers evolved by RM/NS from some outdated host language like Fortran, Algol or PL/1. Even if both language have "If" and "End-if" clause it doesn't mean they have common ancestor or even creator. In fact both languages have independent origin.




ReproducesMutatesPasses Traits via HeredityDies via
Programming LanguagesNoNoNoProgressivly newer human innovation
Life FormsYesYesYesAny number of natually occurring events
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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 50 of 80 (410699)
07-16-2007 7:50 PM
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07-16-2007 4:06 PM


Re: Really BAD analogy.
You just don't get the point that comparing such to programming languages is ridiculous. Not only do they not act like life forms we KNOW they were created by humans.
Life in no way mimics the "evolution" of technology.
Anyway extrapolating their history from studying their most recent self-development could be misleading because of conclusion that there was no intelligent creator first and process arouse once "by chance".
Except for the fact that in that case we can ask questions about who the designer is since we know exactly who they are. Something that ID is loathed to do.
If you question deeply enough you will find that most intelligent people will agree that ID can possibly be scientific. It is just simply that in its current form it IS NOT science.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 59 of 80 (410889)
07-17-2007 5:30 PM
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07-17-2007 3:21 PM


Re: Really BAD analogy.
Don't worry about the boats dude. The problem is simply that you CANNOT have a valid analogy to evolution if you do not include parts that are equivalently analogous to reproduction, modification, and heredity.
If you cannot point to those items in your analogy, then your anaology is false. I don't care who is making it Dawkins or otherwise.
The reason we can claim that programming languages are from Intelligent Design is because we know that we designed them. There need not be any "design" principles invoked at all. It is a simple observation.
We have no such luxury for nature.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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