Are we living on the planet of the apes?

Jagz Excuse me but what drivel is this? How do you go about making this assumption? Please inform us of the program you recognize as embodied in the matrix of creation. Just what the hell is the 'matrix of creation'anyway?I think it is time for you to explain these impressions of yours with something approaching rational thinking don't you?

Jagz Just want to know what you mean here.

Jagz Ok I hope this does not further waste time. Here goes.
Since you used it in context with natural selection I think that it is your understanding that the traits that we inherit somehow rule out natural selection.But inherited traits do not rule out natural selection.Nor does it turn a monkey into a man by some magical process.I want to you to explain how you came to this understanding because it seems you are not grasping the actual concepts of evolution here.Please show me your line of thinking on the issue.

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Oscar Wilde[This message has been edited by sidelined, 01-10-2004]

JagzCheck out this website for someone who has answered the challenge by hovind for the $250,000.
http://www.faithreason.org/farmprov.htm Ok let us check up and see where this leads.From the bibleIn the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.http://www.astro.ubc.ca/people/scott/cmb_intro.html
Now we will check up on sciences understanding of it.The big bang theory shows us that the temperature of the universe at origin was extreme to say the least.[100000000000 K] At this temperature the universe is incapable of producing any form of electromagnetic radiation not to mention visible light. It is not until about 300,000 years after the big bang that the hydrogen and helium nuclei can capture electrons to become stable atoms.At this time the first visible light is available and the universe becomes transparent.In Genisis earth and water was already in existence before light was created.The universe did not contain atoms other than hydrogen and helium at the time light occured so therefore the earth could not exist before light since the elements within it occured at a later time.Now as to your question of how long it took in genesis. It here indicates that evening and morning were occuring after the making of light but it does not give any indication of how long it took to lead up to the first evening.So that is open to choice however it does not show why the Genesis account of creation is in conflict with the physics of the bib bang.Balls in your court now.

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"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

"In Genisis earth and water was already in existence before light was created.The universe did not contain atoms other than hydrogen and helium at the time light occured so therefore the earth could not exist before light since the elements within it occured at a later time." I am sorry but you gave the impression that you were equating Creation with the big bang. The Genesis account holds that God created Earth before light and this is in contradiction of the big bang theory.Here is your statement. In my post I showed how the two accounts Big bang and Genesis creation are incompatible.[This message has been edited by sidelined, 01-11-2004][This message has been edited by sidelined, 01-11-2004]

JagzTo whom are you replying in post #47?

JagzThanks for clarifying that.Now I understand what you are saying about the position of the biblical text and its presentation of the creation story.My point,however, has to do with equating it with the scientific version of creation through the big bang.As I showed you in previous posts the biblical creation story is not compatible with the big bang.That is all.

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"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

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JagzNow we are onto something.You state. Which modern day science are you refering to because I can assure you that they are fumbling the ball.But do not take my word for it. Allow myself and others here to present the errors and show how it is actually easy for you to understand it also. SCience is not hard but it requires you to look at a tough problem from a fresh point of view.Please let us help you to understand.

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"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

JagzOk let us start with this. I am going to give you access to web pages one at a time in order to slowly acquaint you with how the concepts behind your question work.
First off we must understand the concept of energy.Check out this website,just right click your mouse while holding the cursor over it.http://www.explorepdx.com/abstract01.htmlI will get back to you over the next little while and we will gradually introduce you to the other parts of the puzzle. For the moment however my child needs me time and She is quite persuasive.

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"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

JagzWhoa up my friend.It is not possible to explain the whole of everything that you need in order to understand how nature does what she does.By your own admission I do sincerely want to help. But this is not a matter of faith. You are required to invest some effort into thinking about these principles that underlie the processes you are so keen to know about.
Without going over the physics behind these things you cannot know if what I am telling you holds water or not.I will leave it up to you.

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"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde