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Author Topic:   Has the Theory of Evolution benefited mankind?
nator
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Message 72 of 104 (302843)
04-10-2006 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Ratel
04-05-2006 6:01 PM


Re: Percy
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A poster on the IIDB evolution/creation board brought up the point that the man responsible for transplanting the baboon heart into that little girl (baby Faye?)rejected the idea of using a chimpanzee heart because he did not accept the evolutionary logic that chimpanzees were more closely related to humans than baboons. I don't know if a chimp heart would have worked, but the episode is illuminating nonetheless.
He was a Seventh Day Adventist surgeon at Loma Linda named Dr. Leonard L. Bailey, a Seventh Day Adventist Hospital.
Baby Faye died 5 days after the operation because her body completely rejected the baboon heart.
He made no effort to find a human donor for the infant before performing the procedure, nor did he refer her to another facility that could have repaired her heart.
In addition, he completely ignored the basic biological concept of evolution, which should have informed him that a baboon was too distant of a species for a transplant to likely be successful. IOW, he ignored a great deal of evidence that should have informed him, but instead he maintained his religiously-based ignorance that killed that little infant.
Bad, bad science and horrible ethics.
He should be in prison.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2200 days)
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 73 of 104 (302845)
04-10-2006 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
04-05-2006 8:31 PM


Re: Here's one
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Now... why is this is a direct result of the ToE? Well without the ToE how would we know to test drugs on chimps?
I've asked Faith this on numerous occasions and she's always ignored the point.

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nator
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Message 75 of 104 (302850)
04-10-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
04-10-2006 9:39 AM


Re: Here's one
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I am not posting on science threads because the powers that be don't like my style, but I will answer this just to repeat my usual theme song, which I've certainly said often enough: Genetics is not the ToE.
Genetics is a major confirmation and prediction of the ToE.
That's why, when DNA and genetics were discovered to be the basis of all heredity for all life on the planet and was absorbed into the ToE, it began to be called The Modern Synthesis.
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Knowing genetic similarities and differences between the different species is genetics; there need be no idea of descent implied.
The evidence, though, virtually screams common descent.
Do you suggest that those who work with genetics can remain ignorant or unaware, or purposefully ignore the links between various species, genus, families, orders, etc.?
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And this basic reasoning goes for every other accusation that creationists oppose basic science. We do not. Science is not dependent on the ToE.
However, much of our medical research of the last century or so IS most certainly dependent upon The Modern Synthesis, which is the melding of the ToE with modern Gentics.

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