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uvscfan
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Message 17 of 33 (223043)
07-10-2005 11:15 PM


Cognitive ability and race
In my field of expertise, Industrial/Organizational Psychology, the correlation between race and innate intelligence is both a seemingly unsolvable mystery and the subject of endless political policies. Inequalities in intelligence appear to remain constant amongst different races regardless of education level or other factors that should "level the playing field." What is even more interesting is that within the Caucasian group, certain groups of Jews who prove to have a smaller gene pool than even other Caucasian groups tend to have significantly higher IQ's. Conversely, Hispanics generally have significantly lower IQ's than Caucasians despite having at least some common ancestry. The fact that this distribution exists is not as alarming as the impact it might have on the evolution of the species since the groups with the lowest IQ's are reproducing at a much higher rate than those with the highest IQ's.

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uvscfan
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Message 24 of 33 (223229)
07-11-2005 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by crashfrog
07-11-2005 6:41 PM


Response to Crashfrog
You have voiced many of the common concerns regarding the correlation between race and intelligence. I assure you that each of them has been thoroughly researched only to yield the same findings. Here is a link to a well-written article with some good references about this topic: Race and intelligence - Wikipedia. I agree that psychometrics very rarely produce results statistically comparable to the harder sciences but given the wealth of data on IQ it is hard to dispute the validity of cognitive ability testing.

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uvscfan
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Message 29 of 33 (223271)
07-11-2005 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
07-11-2005 7:50 PM


Re: Response to Crashfrog
"I'm going to need more than your assurances."
I'd be disappointed if you didn't. I thought the article (even though it is posted on Wikipedia), particularly the references would lend some credibility to my position.
"I'm going to need arguments in your own words for me to address."
Ok, I prefer research but we can speak about these things in general terms if you want.
"Stanford-Binet Edition 5 IQ test..."
I am very familiar with the test. I'm not sure what kinds of knowledge you assume the test assesses, just putting the term "knowledge" as one of the attributes tested convinced a number of entities to avoid the fifth edition all together. Language is one of the major components of the g factor and will show up in any test that is administered to at least some extent since instructions must be communicated through verbal or written language. Enculturation plays a role in cognitive ability scores and can not be written out of language tests which may account for some of the differences between means for different groups but the fact that foreign Asian students score higher on cognitive ability tests than Caucasian Americans casts doubts on the magnitude of the effect.
The Flynn Effect is very interesting indeed. My theory on the Flynn Effect is that we are bombarded with far more environmental "noise," have access to a universe of new ideas and have more information readily available to learn from with technology advances and cultural integration in each generation than our predecessors did. While I'd like to believe that this trend can continue forever, I find it hard to believe that it can.

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