Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,929 Year: 4,186/9,624 Month: 1,057/974 Week: 16/368 Day: 16/11 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Why haven't we observed mutations of new body parts?
Percy
Member
Posts: 22509
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.4


Message 31 of 99 (419550)
09-03-2007 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Hyroglyphx
09-03-2007 12:21 PM


Re: quoting Rr
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Prior to their rediscovery, it was believed that Coelacanth were one of the first aquatic creatures that experimented with walking.
Scientists never believed that the ancient Coelacanth actually walked in some incipient way. The fossil Coelacanth was thought to be a relative of the Rhipidistians, a fish species ancestral to the tetrapods (land animals like us), and that is how the Coelacanth is still viewed today.
So even supposing the modern Coelacanth is vastly different from the fossilized ones, we know that assertions about their "walking" is a total fabrication.
Well, yes, it is a total fabrication. By you. Scientists never claimed the ancient Coelacanth walked.
After a battle a missing soldier may be classified as "missing, presumed dead." Finding the missing soldier is not an embarrassment, nor is it an invalidation of military battle procedures. In the same way, an ancient fossil with no known descendants is usually classified as "presumed extinct". Finding modern living relatives is not an embarrassment, and it is not an invalidation of paleontological procedures or analyses. The creationist misuse of the Coelacanth example is just another form of the familiar creationist misunderstanding of evolution best exemplified when they ask, "If man is descended from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys?"
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Hyroglyphx, posted 09-03-2007 12:21 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 22509
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 5.4


Message 37 of 99 (420901)
09-10-2007 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by tyler121515
09-10-2007 3:53 AM


Hi Tyler, welcome aboard!
tyler writes:
The evidence shows that mutations do not produce the kind of genetic variation necessary for the appearance of these novel organismal features.
What evidence would that be?
Even if they did, how do we account for many of the delicate, finely-tuned processes that exist at the biochemical level? (such as cellular respiration, mitosis, the Kreb's Cycle, etc.)?
Descent with modification and natural selection.
Obviously these processes can't come about by natural selection of mutations, since "cellular respiration" doesn't have anything to "mutate", if you catch my drift. How can variation of biochemical processes come about?
Descent with modification and natural selection.
Obviously something is missing here.
Yes, your understanding of the power of descent with modification and natural selection.
However, it seems that right now we simply don't have it all figured yet, despite claims to the contrary by many close-minded Darwinists.
Claims of "we don't have the real answers yet" deserve little attention in the absence of alternative proposals.
The webpage you're drawing the Lynn Margulis quote from, Neo-Darwinism: The Current Paradigm, part of the Cosmic Ancestry website that advocates panspermia, contains numerous inaccuracies. The author, Brig Klyce, has a weak grasp of his material.
If panspermia is where you're going, it doesn't answer the questions you raised about the origin of such things as the Krebs Cycle and so forth.
--Percy

This message is a reply to:
 Message 36 by tyler121515, posted 09-10-2007 3:53 AM tyler121515 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 40 by tyler121515, posted 09-10-2007 9:43 PM Percy has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024