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Message 51 of 60 (217351)
06-16-2005 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by mike the wiz
06-15-2005 7:36 PM


Re: Sylas, is mikey here to learn or refute?
Hi Mike,

I'm only going to say this once. I'm not going to explain or discuss my position, or respond to inquiries. As I've indicated before concerning others, this never helps.

This thread is in one of the science forums. The science forums at EvC Forum are intended to explore Creationism's claim to be legitimate science. Only scientific evidence and arguments are permitted here. Those who concede that they're "a biblist who doesn't accept elemental philosophies" probably shouldn't be contributing in the science forums. Those who are unable to grasp simple points and therefore engage in productive discussion should not be contributing to the science forums, either. Keep in mind that this moderator feels no need to persuade a contributor that he's not contributing productively before limiting participation.


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Message 56 of 60 (217660)
06-17-2005 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by mike the wiz
06-17-2005 10:53 AM


Mike the Wiz Suspended for 24 Hours
mike the wiz writes:

Percy, I grasp simple points and have argued hypothetically about NS. Should by disbelief in naturalistic endeavours mean I can not take part even if I argue USING logic which is a valid part of science?

Also, if you are suggesting I can't grasp simple points, then show what you mean or your claim will mean NOTHING.

If I do not respond to simple points or immediately believe them, then that's because they don't negate nor have any special baring on my argument.

Members are required by the Forum Guidelines to follow moderator requests and contribute productively to discussion. In my judgement you are repeating the same simple errors over and over again. The Forum Guidelines request that you keep discussion moving forward, and the moderators have pointed out that, whether you believe it or not, there's a lot that you don't seem to understand.

Understanding something is not the same thing as accepting it. No one is saying you must accept that the array of life we see today is the result of natural selection and descent with modification. But if you're going to discuss it and dispute it, then it is reasonable to expect you to understand it. I don't believe in the resurrection, yet I have no problem understanding the Christian claim that Jesus rose on the 3rd day. I don't believe Noah's flood ever happened, yet I can recite the tale of Noah in great detail. I don't think there was ever a Garden of Eden, yet I understand how the fall is the origin of sin in mankind, and that Jesus died so that we may be forgiven our sins.

By the same token, you don't have to believe that natural selection plays a role in the origin of species, but it is not asking too much to expect you to understand how natural selection is thought to work, especially since you feel moved to discuss it. Despite all the attempts to explain natural selection to you, you still don't understand it. My suggestion is that before you post to this thread again that you make darn sure you understand it.

I must be going soft, I seem to be violating my own dictim to not explain suspensions. Anyway, if you would like to remain here on a consistent basis then you will have to find a way to figure out what people are telling you, which can also be found in a multitude of books at any library. This isn't rocket science, just simple biology. You will not be permitted to turn threads away from their topics and into extended and so far failed attempts to teach you what biology actually says about evolution.


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