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Taz
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Message 14 of 69 (407293)
06-25-2007 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dragoness
06-22-2007 10:47 PM


Next time you see your husband, look him in the eyes and say the following.
The platypus presents absolutely no problem for evolution.
All proto mammals lay eggs. The echidnas, for example, is another early mammal that lay eggs. Why? Because proto mammals evolved from reptiles. While other mammals evolved to live bearing, the platypus along with other proto mammals never stopped laying eggs. Why? Because Australia was geographically isolated from the rest of the world very early on in the evolution of mammals.
Again, there is nothing puzzling about the platypus. It is a proto mammal evolved to live in a relatively small niche. The "duckbill" is absolutely NOT a duckbill. It is wide mouth with leathery skin that resembles a duckbill. This is a perfect example of convergent evolution (if you don't know what this is, I'll explain). This is primarily an aquatic mammal that hunts for prey in the muck in the bottom of streams. Other than that, this thing is all mammal.
Just look at the marsupials in Australia. Again, the continent became isolated fairly early on in the evolution of mammals. With really no other competition, these early mammals radiated into much of the same niche role as found in other parts of the world. There are the herd grazers, the predators, the ground hog type rodent roles... basically just a perfect example of adaptive radiation.

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Taz
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Message 18 of 69 (407317)
06-25-2007 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by MartinV
06-25-2007 4:32 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
MartinV writes:
As to platypus - I have read that when first delivered (dead and padded) to England the most prominent zoologists of that time (I suppose of Royal academy) considered it to be faked. No such creature on their opinion could exist. So if some darwinists present view that everything is O.K. and there is nothing extraordinary and weird with platypus it is only partial view.
The first specimen of the platypus was brought back to England in 1799, and it was considered as a fake. The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin was published in 1859.
So MartinV, with your cosmic wisdom, how many Darwinists do you think there were in 1799?

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Taz
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Message 40 of 69 (407564)
06-26-2007 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by MartinV
06-26-2007 2:24 PM


Re: There is nothing to be problem for evolution
MartinV writes:
Strange enough nobody noticed Natural selection before Darwin did so.
I'm going to go into your trap here I guess.
Strange enough, nobody noticed the parabolic motion of a projectile until Newton pointed it out. Strange enough, nobody noticed how off the Ptolemic model of the solar system was until Copernicus pointed it out. Strange enough, nobody noticed that you can't know the position and velocity of a quantum particle until Heisenberg pointed it out.
What's your point? Actually, what has this got to do with the topic?
The reason of motion of material bodies (gravity and impetus) was known even by Giordano Bruno in 17 century (btw one darwinist here ridiculed Bruno and called him religious freak or something very similar) :
Huh? What has this to do with the topic? How does this disprove evolution?
It is very strange - considering deep insight and state of the science at those times - that discovery of such simple law as "natural selection" has to wait until industrial revolution took place in the midst of 19. century and when former student of theology Darwin "proved" it observing finches beaks.
Um... so what's your point?

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Taz
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Message 62 of 69 (432891)
11-08-2007 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Franatic25
11-08-2007 9:40 PM


Franatic25 writes:
There ARE living examples of what I and others would feel to be "intermediate" animals that are between one species and another.
You should be careful when talking about evolutionary theory. For example, the quote above is an example of one of the most popular misconception of evolutionary theory. Just remember that every animal is "intermediate". Evolution isn't about one animal having a goal of evolving into another and somehow some got left behind in the middle. That's not evolution. That's a creationist strawman.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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Taz
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Message 64 of 69 (432901)
11-08-2007 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Franatic25
11-08-2007 10:31 PM


That's ok. I'm just saying that we really have to be careful with our wordings. The creationistos aren't good at science. But they are very good at nitpicking your wordings. That's all they can do really.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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