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Author Topic:   Sarah Palin & Intelligent Design + Creationism
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Message 31 of 51 (481661)
09-12-2008 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
09-10-2008 8:15 PM


Go Palin (sarcasm)
War with Russia Sounds like a plan:
http://news.yahoo.com/...politico/20080912/pl_politico/13393
Abuse the power of the governorship go Troopergate:
Alaska Public Safety Commissioner dismissal - Wikipedia
Support and then recant support for bridges to 'nowhere':
Gravina Island Bridge - Wikipedia
Its not even an issue of McSame...its more of an issue I can't stomach hypocrisy, warmongering, power abuse, and downright lies...

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Message 40 of 51 (481846)
09-13-2008 3:34 AM
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09-12-2008 8:55 PM


Re: Palin With America And Americans
Um I'm not even sure how you can even say Palin identifies with the founders.
I mean in what way, you talk about foreign policy Washington had no interest in foreign entanglements yet Palin is all for running around Russia and Georgia.
In terms of identifying with Jefferson Palin is definitely not a small government kind of person. She had expanded Wasilla's government hugely through funding that ridiculously overpriced and under-researched community center. She has also encouraged taxing of oil whilst building a massive pipeline through Alaska. None of which are even close to gyving with Jefferson's ideal small farmer government kind of life style. Also Palin definitely would not have agreed with Jefferson extremely temporal/secular view of he bible.
Lastly, Lincoln was far more interested in preserving the Union then partisan style politics. This would be demonstrated especially by Lincoln's stressed belief in the Union instead of North versus South. Lincoln as a president did everything he could to keep the Union together, even so far as the Emancipation Proclamation which while credited with abolishing slavery is extremely inaccurate. At most it abolished slavery in states that were rebelling against the Federal government, so border states that were on the side of the Union were not affected by the emancipation proclamation. On the contrary Palin promotes politics that are hard line conservative style poltics with little if no give.

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Message 45 of 51 (481897)
09-13-2008 12:11 PM
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09-13-2008 8:43 AM


Re: Palin With America And Americans
X.x sorry about that right after the comments I had fallen asleep without noticing it.
By conservative principles I talk about the culture of 'gut-thinking' that has characterized the GOP in the last several years. The GOP push for support of things like teaching creationism or ID in schools as science when they don't and can't be considered science. Both those 'sciences' can't even draw on a body of support any of the most basic physical phenomenon i.e. say the study of energy and work or electricity. The notion that you can toss out reasoning and evidence for a 'gut-supported' idea is plain old absurd??
Consider this if the trend continues of supporting 'gut' over 'mind' you end up promoting a culture of impulsive decision making. What happens when if people start consistently thinking about the here at this moment for the nation, their schools or their government?? What happens to the future of this nation when all those pieces of careful planning are abridged by short-term planning?? Democrats in a lot of ways have been forced to go along with it because of the off-chance they'd lose voting blocs, much in the same way it used to be if the three big airline carriers ever changed prices the other two were either forced to (if lowered, to prevent loss of passengers) or match them (if raised, to increase profits).
Truth be told we are already seeing the affects of it in the nation's infrastructure its crumbling roads and vulnerable electricity grid... who is going to fix the infrastructure when people no longer believe in basic science? At least for now kids aren't getting taught 'ID' or 'creationism' useless garbage to supplement their already insane amount of material they should know.

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Message 48 of 51 (481941)
09-13-2008 3:09 PM
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09-13-2008 2:36 PM


Re: Palin With America And Americans
*shrug* who is to say it would impair a governor's ratings. Sides ratings have absolutely nothing to do with policies. Governor's ratings are contingent on a politician's ability to keep its constituents happy. If she's able to deliver pork to her people all is good, people will forgive intellectually inane positions and just view her as more then a little bit eccentric. Notably Palin did not push ID or creationism as governor which begs the question on the authenticity of her positions.
Building a gas pipe is more about building jobs and shoring up state revenues. But improving other state issues??? I mean look at the lady's ethics, pushing undue pressure on dealing with a state trooper, ex-husband to her sister?? I mean governor's are they supposed to be twisting the screws on state agencies like that over a state employee? Its a bit reminiscent of say Nixon's power abuse, at least she doesn't have control of the FBI.
However, the point isn't about her ratings, it is more about securing the future of our nation. And her educational stances leave a great deal to be desired be it ID or on sex ed. Supporting educational stances that promote keeping people ignorant is less then a stellar method look out for our future.

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