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New Cat's Eye
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Message 14 of 35 (420142)
09-06-2007 12:17 PM


LOL
Some of the comments say that the experiment GOT IT WRONG!!
People are so stupid.

  
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Message 15 of 35 (420143)
09-06-2007 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Chiroptera
09-06-2007 12:14 PM


Re: Comments
Jinx.
ABE:
Hint for figuring it out: Pick two cards instead of one.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE:

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Message 22 of 35 (420172)
09-06-2007 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by NosyNed
09-06-2007 1:32 PM


Re: Agreed -- not cheating
It is classic magic. Distract the audience and palm the pea. It is not cheating any more than any slight of hand is.
And if your slight of hand was good enough, you could probably get away with this one on a street corner and make some decent cash
If you told the people that you would take away the card that they choose, then you wouldn't be lying either, although pretty damn dishonest.

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Message 25 of 35 (420178)
09-06-2007 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
09-06-2007 2:05 PM


Re: Lying or not?
I don't distinguish so finely. Even with out overtly saying something allowing someone to believe something is a form of lying to me.
I use "dishonest" as the broader category and reserve "lying" for intentional falsehoods. I consider lying a form of dishonesty and "allowing someone to believe something" as another form of dishonesty but not actually lying.
However, I do not apply that in this case. Even if you were fleecing the marks on the street. It is not dishonest at all.
I think its dishonest because you're tricking people (and tricking them out of money would just make it worse). I guess if you worded it (what you're telling them you're going to do) right, then there would be no dishonesty.
See ! relative morality
The absolute would be that all forms of unecessary dishonesty are morally wrong.
The relativity comes into play in deciding if and when it is necessary to be dishonest, and which things are, in fact, dishonest.
it is easy to tell I'm a godless atheist isn't it?
Only by the stench

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