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defenderofthefaith
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Message 20 of 36 (61743)
10-20-2003 7:07 AM


I have heard of "The Triumph of Evolution" by Niles Eldredge. I was troubled by your recommendation, since it does not seem to acknowledge the many scientific refutations of old arguments, and continues to postulate many that we in the creationist camp have already answered. Perhaps we need to get better acquainted with each other's beliefs. There's also scientific creationist literature about, at the basic layman's level with "The Answers Book" by Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati, and Carl Wieland among others. "A Skeptic's Search for God" by Ralph Muncaster, which I have quoted here several times, takes a slightly more technical view along with an investigation of proofs for God. There's also Sarfati's "Refuting Evolution", or, if you want really in-depth science, you could order a few back copies of the Creation Technical Journal. They publish refereed papers, letters, reviews, answers to questions and all sorts of information. If anyone here is willing to take an unbiased look at opposing evidence, in the interests of investigation and understanding, I will do the same with any one of the books you have mentioned.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 25 of 36 (61893)
10-21-2003 4:46 AM


You're right, of course - I should really read that book. Afterwards we could set up a thread to discuss whether creationism has already answered Eldredge's points or not. I also think we need to take an unbiased view at the opposing side's evidence. After all, if the other side's literature isn't that scientific you could publish an expose in this book review forum; but if they are, you'd have to investigate your own position and see which one had the more telling evidence.
I propose "The Answers Book" by Ham, Sarfati, Wieland et al. It's a basic layout of arguments for creation, and although a layman's volume it does have some juicy semi-technical areas, such as a discussion of a white hole expanding universe model which had me pondering for a long time. There are also technical books if you should so prefer. This one is probably one of AiG's more available volumes.
In return, I will undertake an unbiased and investigative reading of any interesting evolutionary literature that you propose, such as Eldredge or Mayr. After reading our respective volumes we could publish an analysis of their key ideas on this forum.
Anyone want to take me up on this offer?

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 29 of 36 (62287)
10-23-2003 4:13 AM


"Quetzal" writes:
evilutionists
Shh! We don't use that spelling in public.
Seriously, though, I am glad to see that the creationist literature is being objectively examined. I haven't read "Darwin on Trial" but I'll potter over to Mr. Hambre's thread to see what he thinks.
Once my university studies have died down, I might publish a creationist review of evolutionary literature on this forum. I have come into contact with it somewhat recently while researching exactly how old evolutionary theory is.

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 33 of 36 (70524)
12-02-2003 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by berberry
11-29-2003 10:13 PM


Re: Asimov
Asimov wrote a guide to the Bible?

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defenderofthefaith
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Message 36 of 36 (91316)
03-09-2004 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by DBlevins
02-03-2004 1:50 PM


Re: An answer for Mike
The point is that few creationists that I have seen on this board have actually chekced out the information that has been presented to them. They continue to repeat statements that have been debunked repeatedly.
As a creationist I can only say: "You're preaching to the choir."
By the way, which creationist literature are you familiar with?

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