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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Slovenija had a flood this week it lasted for 2 days it was caused by abundant rainfall and the rising of rivers since we tend to build houses out of brick and concrete there was not a lot of damage and i think no lives where lost. we also had our very own Noas they used their boats and canoes to get people to the store and things like that.
now if this flood happened 3000 years ago when not evryone could write i would not be a stretch for me if it became similar to the flood in the bible i would poste some pictures of the flood but they are only on our news sites and i cant seem to get them from there so il link the news site where you can take a look Vsak dan prvi - 24ur.comVsak dan prvi - 24ur.com -some videos from the air Vsak dan prvi - 24ur.com Edited by Admin, : Fix title. Edited by Admin, : Fix title.
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Thread copied here from the Could the flood been exaggerated? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I think it is safe to say that any costal civilisation would over dramatise the importance of flooding in their region. Considering most people would not travel much they would view where they live as the whole world.
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greyseal Member (Idle past 3891 days) Posts: 464 Joined: |
The difference between falling off your motorbike and scraping your knee, and a dare-devil stunt involving a run from the law, gun-toting bad-guys and a battle-scar as you escaped the burning building clutching the broken remains of your bike over one shoulder and the rescued damsel over the other is about a hundred retellings.
Or in other words, sure - a local flood would very easily expand to be a year-long disaster that only saved one pious family and drowned the rest in about four generations. On the other hand, it could just be a stupid story that doesn't make any practical sense intended as an object lesson and taken way too seriously by god-bothering idiots who can't do basic math.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Or in other words, sure - a local flood would very easily expand to be a year-long disaster that only saved one pious family and drowned the rest in about four generations. On the other hand, it could just be a stupid story that doesn't make any practical sense intended as an object lesson and taken way too seriously by god-bothering idiots who can't do basic math. It could aso be a combination of both, or a combination of 2 or more stories combined, by retelling of both stories with the common embellishment added by each retelling until the time the story is compiled and written for posterity at which time the original story and the purpose of the telling becomes totally lost. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is definite evidence that it is at least two different stories if not more.
AbE: as illustration In the version of the myth found in Genesis 6 God instructs Noah to:
quote: In the version of the myth found in Genesis 7 we see similar (close but not the same) instructions:
quote: We also find similar explanations of what will be destroyed in Genesis 6 it says:
quote: and in Genesis 7:
quote: In both myths lots of critters get killed, in the myth found in Genesis 6 it seems to be talking about land animals and birds while the myth found in Genesis 7 goes even further and wipes out all living things. Edited by jar, : add textual evidence Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 830 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
What perception would Pakistani people have 2k+ years ago seeing a flood like this? Look at some of the smaller groups who are COMPLETELY surrounded by water with water as far as the eye could see. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch. |
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2793 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
If one reads the flood story from the perspective of those who wrote it, and first read it (and why would one wish to do otherwise?); then one would not imagine , because they could not imagine , that their word for dirt should someday be applied to a spinning rock which flies among the stars.
What we read as "earth" they read as "land." They didn't exaggerate the story, we did. Yes, boys and girls, it really is that simple. Religionists have pretty much ruined what was once called "The Good Book." For starters, they have made it virtually impossible to believe. Such idiots dare call themselves Bible scholars, and propose to "share" with us, "the word of God;" a word they wouldn't recognize if it bit them on the butt. Theology is the science of Dominion. - - - My God is your god's Boss - - -
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Nij Member (Idle past 4918 days) Posts: 239 From: New Zealand Joined: |
Hey jar, the thread is about whether the story could have been/was exaggerated. There's already a a couple going about the contradictions and stuff -- don't turn this one into a crusade and wreck it before it gets going properly, please?
Just a friendly request. And yes, there are known to be numerous events that were likely embellished. For example, the Black Sea deluge; while it may not have been as big as originally claimed, it was definitely a large increase in water level over a relatively short period of time. Plus, who wouldn't build up that kind of story? It's human nature to be competitive: "our flood was bigger than yours! Nahnahnahnahnah.." And then there's also the propaganda value. "We are the chosen descendants of the only people to survive a flood that killed everything! Our ancestor was the single person selected by God to save all life! Blah blah, self-promotion, exaggeration, etc." There's also the fact that there really was a flood that destroyed the entire "world". For a majority of people at the time, the "world" consisted of everything within a few dozen miles of your birthplace.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
i was hoping for some contra arguments there is really not much to debate if there is no one on the opposite side of the fence
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
i was hoping for some contra arguments there is really not much to debate if there is no one on the opposite side of the fence i was hoping for some contra arguments there is really not much to debate if there is no one on the opposite side of the fence The evidence killed the contra arguments and took it's stuff.
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Nij Member (Idle past 4918 days) Posts: 239 From: New Zealand Joined: |
Doesn't stop creationists from raising the dead.
Ahh, zombie arguments!! Noooo!! In all seriousness, they'll get around to it at some point. Most of them are otherwise engaged in rather heavy discussion and another thread about Teh Fludde isn't going to interest many yet. And evidence? What evidence: the only "evidence" you need is The Holy Bible™, now in over twenty flavours to suit all of your theological needs!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My point was that since there are at least two different versions of the flood story in the current version, that it is almost certain that it is based on some older oral traditions and so almost certainly an evolved and exaggerated story.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
My guess would be Gilgamesh XI or Atrahasis (both not oral but on tablets).
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Atrahasis is most likely older than Gilgamesh and it's very likely that they in turn are based on even older oral myths. It's interesting that the Atrahasis story includes many of the other features found in Genesis and so very likely played a part in the origins of several of the stories.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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