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mark24 Member (Idle past 5224 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: Ooop! ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
John I think existing surveys bear my statements out but I agree a carefully worded survey would be needed to find the precise answer.
I never said the evidence fro a higher intelligence was concusive, just that it is a possibility and is evident to many.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Edge
You simply can't image a catastrophic flood. The global flood occurred in stages. It was global by the end of it. We use the same data you use to show that there were surges! The sea-level curves are due primarily to tectonics (not that anyone has a deterministic model as far as I have found). The data actually looks like it was due to plate slipping events. Either way you and I explain the water coming and going the same way - it's just that in our scheme we have much more heat and lower viscosities to drive rapid tectonics.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Taz
We explain the fossil record as having formed due to biogeography, differential mobility and hydrodynamic sorting - all of whihc would be expected to order according to homology to some exent. They are 3 very different issues and together with a detailed flood model we would expect that the known fossil record to emerge. The gross ordering of marine, lowland and mobile animals in the record is in argeement with expectations. Although we agree that the standard fossil record is an excellent represetation of reality we do not believe it is quite as solid as mainstream paleontologists would have us think. There are many fossils found out of sequence and the explanation of 'washed in' or 'folded in' is used without proof necessarily. Have a good break.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Wehappy I am convinced the Cretaceous is flood. I leave open the extent to which the Cenozoic is flood. I wonder to what extent the Cenozoic is post-flood glacial melting.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I don't ask for conclusive, just good and can't find even that. That it is possible doesn't mean anything unless there is evidence to back it up, and 'evident to many' means even less. ------------------
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
I think the evidence is good to excellent and so does Behe ('Darwin's Black Box'), a fellow PhDed molecular biologist. So does God, another fellow molecular biologist (Rom 1:20). He's still an undergraduate last time I saw his title.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
quote: Since Behe is brought up again, I thought I'd point this out again. It's Kenneth Miller's review of Darwin's Black Box:
http://biomed.brown.edu/Faculty/M/Miller/Behe.html Quoting the opening paragraph of that page:
quote: Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83 Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Old Earth evolution - Yes Godly creation - Maybe
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I realize that you do, but you aren't sharing any of that good evidence with us. Are you founding some sort of Mystery Cult? ------------------
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Moose I'm aware that Behe is not a YEC and that he believes in common descent to some extent.
Regardless I can agree with Behe that the cell is strong evidence of design.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
John
When I've got time I'll outline some of Behe's arguements. He analyses cellular systems and notes that one can't even conceive how they could work without a minmal subset of elements. It's not proof but if evolution had occured the tell tale signs would be evident. As it stands there are very few evoltuionary explanations of anything like the immune system.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I am familiar with some of Behe's work, but please post an example which interests you. My impression of Behe? He is very good at killing straw men. ------------------
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5709 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
[B]Edge You simply can't image a catastrophic flood. The global flood occurred in stages. It was global by the end of it. We use the same data you use to show that there were surges! [/QUOTE] JM: Ok, when was it 'global'? You won't answer because you'll have to defend non-marine strata in whatever time period you choose as 'global'. Cheers Joe Meert
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John Inactive Member |
quote: But TB.... you've only got a year!!!! ------------------
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5709 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: Well, you know that many creationists now 'stretch' the flood to much more than a year (all extra-bilical of course!). Recall that in another thread, TB is claiming that surges (pre-global covering) occurred at least 50 times during the 'build-up' stages. Assuming that this pre-global stage lasted during the initial 40 days or so of rain etc, that's a bit more than 1 surge per day responsible for depositing a layer of coal in the cyclothems, receding to form continental deposits with paleocurrent indicators and then another surge. Interestingly, these daily surges do not alter the previous days deposits in any fashion. The layering stays 'razor-sharp' and the paleocurrent indicators maintain their integrity. What's even more amazing is that all this happens during the 'surge' phase. The recession phase leaves NO evidence. No wonder they call the flood miraculous. Cheers Joe Meert
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