The Divine Proportion: Does It Have a Materialistic Explaination?

I don't even have to look anything up. This is wrong. Totally.There are a few 10's of thousands of bees in a hive. Most of them are workers (sterile females). There are 10's or hundreds of males.The ratio is never Phi.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-08-2004 11:02 AM

I'm pretty sure he is. (btw, remember the bees)It sure ain't all humans with my 2 brothers and I as examples. We are all very differently proportioned. (only one of us is 'golden' ).So what is the claim. All humans, some humans, the average human, males or females?

You made a claim about the bees. You have to show your support for your claim.I can tell you that it is a fact that the number of workers in a normal hive is in the 10,000's.

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Honeybees live in hives or colonies. A small hive contains about 20,000 bees, while some larger hives may have over 100,000 bees. Hives include one queen, hundreds of drones, and thousands of worker bees. The worker bees are female, but they do not breed. The queen bee is female and creates all the babies for the hive. The drone bees are male and do not have stingers.

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from: http://www.42explore.com/bees.htmOther sites have similar numbers. It is your job to defend your statments. Where did you get the ratio you gave?

As I just noted it is up to you to support your statments. You have not done so.

Then you supply your sources and we examine how they arrived at the number. What inputs did they use and how did they do the calculations.Sources are valuable if they are good ones. Good ones supply the details they used in comming to their conclusions.

What authority? You haven't supplied any references yet. You don't have any authorities or facts or anything yet. When you supply those and we can review the calculations, statistical methods or whatever else is involved then we can comment.You need to review the guidelines here, I think.This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-11-2004 11:32 PM

Ah, well your impressions don't exactly count. As none of ours do.What counts is the actual measured number of bees in hives and the measured proportions of humans. To take two examples.Phi does occur as has been pointed out. There seem to be good geometrical reasons for it in some places. However, some of the list of places you supplied seem to be suspect at best.It will take more than impressions to turn 100,000 workers to less than 1,000 drones into a ratio of phi.