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Message 6 of 57 (122718)
07-07-2004 1:03 PM

Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Jack
07-07-2004 12:57 PM

I don't believe that you can take either the OT or NT as literal. And from a religious point of view, it simply does not matter if anything in the Bible is true or really happened.

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Message 8 of 57 (122744)
07-07-2004 3:39 PM

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07-07-2004 1:47 PM

Re: Consider

Why should it be written in code?

This code required the passage of time and events to break, to understand its meaning.

So it is not predictive but rather "I told you so?"

It would be very much so in the interest of the anti-Christ, to first of all understand its context immediately when it was written,...

Why?

and to keep it out of scripture for reasons of his exposure.

Why?

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Message 13 of 57 (122784)
07-07-2004 6:06 PM

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07-07-2004 5:55 PM

Re: Code

When something is written in code, someone is not meant to understand, an enemy, for instance. The anti-Christ is the enemy of scripture.

so why publish it at that time?

Why do you think the anti-Christ would be interested in not getting his identity revealed?

Why do you think the anti-Christ would not be interested in being exposed for all eyes to see him and identify him? He is very real, it is the number of a man (666), it is a man.

And obviously the code worked. No one has a clue who that might be. Actually, everybody has a clue who that might be but as the usual suspects die off the people simply make up some other answer.

So back to the questions. Can you try again?

If it is in some code to keep the meaning hidden, why did GOD even bother with it. Why not wait until an appropriate time and send a telegram?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 39 of 57 (125469)
07-18-2004 2:28 PM

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07-18-2004 4:05 AM

It isn't the Walrus

Brad is John.

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Message 55 of 57 (148964)
10-10-2004 7:24 PM

Reply to: Message 54 by Phat
10-10-2004 6:46 PM

Re: Continuation of our Topic from Who can be Saved?

jar writes:

I don't believe that you can take either the OT or NT as literal. And from a religious point of view, it simply does not matter if anything in the Bible is true or really happened.

To which Phatboy replies:

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I suppose that you mean this statement to include the Resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Sure. Religion is a belief system. A belief system. It's not based on what is fact, but rather what we believe. If the stories in the Bible were only tales, would that have any effect on the value of the message itself?

If you look at the Nicene Creed, it begins "I believe". It does not say, these are the facts, it says, I believe.

but my point about that Parable was that it applied to the Jews and the rest of the Nations at the time of Revelation.

Well, there is the exclusionist philosophy coming in again. Why do you believe that the Jews and the rest of the Nations are somehow different?

First, was Jesus a Jew?

Second, were his disciples Jews?

Let's take a look though at Revelations, since that is the topic of this thread.

Revelations 1:

1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Look at the statement, "things which must shortly come to pass", "for the time is at hand". This is talking about things that the author believe will take place in his own lifetime, not some distant future.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 57 of 57 (149163)
10-11-2004 5:25 PM

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10-11-2004 11:36 AM

This is still way off topic.

and I think we need to find a better place than in a discussion on Revelations.

I just don't quite know where it should go.

All good questions though and as soon as we find the right place I'll be glad to outline my opinions.

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