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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
There is, in chat rooms, an endless series of "secret codes"
IMHO -- in my humble opinionIOW -- in other words IMO -- in my opinion IIRC -- if I recall correctly There are second nature after awhile Around here we also us OP for opening post, OT for off topic, and ABE for added by edit.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
RTFM
It is a hangover from the days of ttys and acoustic modems. Back then it was really nice to have as many shorthand ways of saying things as we could find. Many still get used. I had a habit over the years of naming program attempts that didn't quite work with an NDG extension. That way others that came across the code understood intuitively that it was no damn good. While we are off topic is there anyone else here who had to interface with a computer over a genuine teletype and acoustic modem? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
OMG! yes, but fortunately only for a short bit.
Now let's get back on topic!!! The mouse is watching.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The one that roars?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
No, the chocolate one
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
IMHO--IOW, IMO, based on what I have heard here (BOWIHHH), TOE is a ND (no-doubter). IMHO.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
LOL
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Need I track down AdminAsgara, with her whips and chains?
Topic please. Adminnemooseus
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Weeeell, I'd say the fact that life has a history, and has changed over time is about as solid a fact as, say, the sun rising tomorrow. Descent with modification from a common ancestor is a little less a sure bet, primarily because it's very difficult to tell whether the fossil we're looking at is an ancestor or a cousin, so that bit although pretty darn sure is maybe not a total "fact". How all that played out in detail, however, remains an arguable question.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
IMHO, that life has a history and has changed over time is not exactly TOE.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
crashfog writes: Unimpeachable evidence from genetics in regards to hereditary relationships between species. Could you give an example?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
IMHO, that life has a history and has changed over time is not exactly TOE. Which is exactly what Quetzal was saying in:
quote: Notice there are two parts to his statment. One a fact, that life has a history and the other about how it got that way. The second is his reference to the ToE.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Could you give an example? Of what, exactly? Two species that we know are related via genetics? What do you want an example of? I was referring to all of the genetic data, not just some of it, so I can hardly give you a single example of everything. A single example, in fact, would be fairly useless. You have to take all the genetic data into account. When that is done, the ony single theory that explains all the genetic data is evolution.
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cmanteuf Member (Idle past 6795 days) Posts: 92 From: Virginia, USA Joined: |
Mammuthus writes: The upper bound is that nobody has reproducible DNA sequences from samples over 100,000 years old so that is about the only age-degradation correlation that holds up. That may be true for nuclear DNA, but I thought that there was isolated chloroplast DNA from 13 million years ago? "Chloroplast DNA sequence from a Miocene Magnolia species" by E.M. Goldenberg et al. April 12 1990 edition of Nature. As referenced in "Magnolias from Moscow" by Stephen Jay Gould, _Dinosaur in a Haystack_, 1995. They did comparisons between genes in a chloroplast from two species of 13 million year old trees and two modern ones (one pair was close relatives, the other were the same species) and got, of course, quite close results- the one for the same species coded exactly the same amino acid sequence, though there were several silent substitutions in the sequence. Or has recent research cast doubt on that find? Chris Manteuffel
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5902 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Thanks Nosey. That's what I get for trying to be clever...
Any questions, Robin?
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