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Author Topic:   Emotions and Consciousness Seperate from the Brain ??
lfen
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Message 13 of 127 (170717)
12-22-2004 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Syamsu
12-22-2004 6:47 AM


Re: Its that man again
I am insulted at seeing so much languishing collegestudent irresponsible meandering on the subject. Knowledge about emotions is of value, which can't be said of a certain shaky comparitive theory.
You don't have to read threads you find insulting or disturbing. These are serious philosophical and scientific questions being examined. The nature of free will comes very close to the question of what is the self, the ego, the ordinary sense of being. Not all religions take the ego as something real or permanent, the Buddha specifically denied there was a real permanent self.
How organisms function is ongoing science and includes the casuality of behaviour. Free will is something that is being studied and debated . Believing in free choice as you do you could choose then to either not read this thread, or you could choose to be delighted and happy instead of insulted that folks are examining this notions!
lfen

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lfen
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Message 16 of 127 (171056)
12-23-2004 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Syamsu
12-23-2004 12:34 AM


Re: Constructive vs. Destructive Thinking
Consciousness controls the brain, is the relationship between consciousness and the brain I believe.
And when sleeping?
When given and anesthesia or knocked unconsciousness?
Daydreaming?
How does consciousness control brain? Radio waves, or what?
lfen

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lfen
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Message 27 of 127 (171098)
12-23-2004 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Syamsu
12-23-2004 5:18 AM


Re: Constructive vs. Destructive Thinking
Basically you're all just liars, using consciousness in common language as if it is true to fact, but not believing it. You say things that you know not to be true, you are therefore lying continuously.
How true! In fact I am lying right now when I say that this is not true! And this also is a lie. All I do is lie, you have the truth on that, but if I say this is a lie of course I am lying, so it this then the truth? But being a continuous liar of course that is a lie, but then this is a lie that I lie continuously! But I lie, lie, lie.
This statement (like every statement I make) is a lie!
lfen

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lfen
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Message 54 of 127 (172041)
12-29-2004 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Brad McFall
12-25-2004 10:10 PM


Re: Minding the Pink Elephant
I'm not sure if this relates as I can't claim to understand it but it sounds fascinating. lfen
News
Published online: 23 December 2004; | doi:10.1038/news041220-12
Natural selection acts on the quantum world
Philip Ball
Objective reality may owe its existence to a 'darwinian' process that advertises certain quantum states.
If observing the world tends to change it, how come we all see the same butterfly?
A team of US physicists has proved a theorem that explains how our objective, common reality emerges from the subtle and sensitive quantum world.
If, as quantum mechanics says, observing the world tends to change it, how is it that we can agree on anything at all? Why doesn't each person leave a slightly different version of the world for the next person to find?
Because, say the researchers, certain special states of a system are promoted above others by a quantum form of natural selection, which they call quantum darwinism. Information about these states proliferates and gets imprinted on the environment. So observers coming along and looking at the environment in order to get a picture of the world tend to see the same 'preferred' states.
Natural selection acts on the quantum world | Nature

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lfen
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Message 126 of 127 (178037)
01-18-2005 3:28 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by robinrohan
01-12-2005 12:36 PM


Re: About the illusion of consciousness
Robin,
Julian Jaynes in his book THE ORIGINS OF CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE BICAMERAL MIND advances some fascinating speculation on this.
It's unprovable but brilliant. I was initially drawn to it because he offerred the most interesting explanation of the use of the Gods in the Illiad. He asked what if Homer was being literal. What if the ancient Greeks actually experienced visions of the Gods and what if these visions made all their decisions for them? What if these visions weren't of Gods, but was the way they experienced the workings of their brain?
lfen

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