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Message 224 of 301 (178580)
01-19-2005 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Cthulhu
01-19-2005 12:47 PM


Cthulhu, You must not have access to the kjv, here's a free download site so you can re read the verse in question. It says basically is that 4 of the legs are for creepin and not jumpin.
e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC | Downloads

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Message 231 of 301 (178623)
01-19-2005 3:30 PM
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01-19-2005 2:52 PM


ramoss, I guess were then in agreement with the KJV then. The two legs that extend above and behind the 4 smaller legs are used for jumping and that the KJV does not say the 2 legs for jumping is not supportive in the creeping mode, not that they do much creeping.
I'm pleased were at least in agreement with the KJV spin that the 4 smaller legs are designed for creeping, and that the 2 jumping legs are not designed to do the creeping. They are designed to leap, and with wings its quite a lift.
I don't see the 2 larger legs doing all that much creeping, the creator simply didn't design them for creeping.
Next time you see a grasshopper in the wild, watch and see just how much those jumping legs are used in creeping. The bible says their primary use is for jumping, and the 4 smaller legs for creeping.

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Message 243 of 301 (178669)
01-19-2005 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Coragyps
01-19-2005 9:19 AM


The Royal Planet Jupiter Stopped over Bethlehem
Coragyps, The Magi on their trek to Judah, following Jupiter as it wandered toward's the city of Bethlehem. The Magi looking for the location of Jupiter in sky in the early hours before sunrise. Then from Jerusalem they beheld the Planet of Kings (Jupiter) over Bethlehem. The next day looking just before sunrise, they would of beheld it still over Bethlehem. Interesting link about the signs heralding the Lord Jesus birth. I hope you enjoy them as much as I have.
It is quite interesting that astronomy confirms that Jupiter actually stopped over the city of Bethlehem in December of 2.B.C. in agreement with scripture.
The Star of Bethlehem
Finally, to qualify as the Star, Jupiter would have to have been ahead of the Magi as they trekked South from Jerusalem to Bethlehem and also stop moving in the sky and appear to hover over Bethlehem. Sure enough, in December of 2 BC if the Magi looked south in the early hours before sunrise, there hung the Planet of Kings over the city of Messiah's birth. Perhaps you have already anticipated the key to this final mystery: retrograde motion. An astronomer tracking the movement of planets through the star field watches not so much on the scale of minutes, but on the longer scale of days, weeks and months. On this scale of time, Jupiter did stop. On December 28 of 2 BC as it entered retrograde, Jupiter reached full stop in its travel through the fixed stars. Magi viewing from Jerusalem would have seen it stopped in the sky above the little town of Bethlehem.

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Message 252 of 301 (178709)
01-19-2005 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by arachnophilia
01-19-2005 5:42 PM


Arachnophilia, The bible being Gods truth to man, says that man was made in his image. I have a hard time understanding why you would support fraud in museums that go contrary to what you believe to be truth (you do believe the Word to be True). These museum curators are criminals, and should be prosecuted. Millions of dollars to have artists put human hands on chimp fossils. Then to have children brought in by the bus loads to view the great dispay as if its truth. The bible says man was made in his image, hopefully you agree with the Great Kent Hovind that Lucy human hands and feet is simply not truth, if so then the Lucy display education value is moot (of no value).

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Message 256 of 301 (178718)
01-19-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by CK
01-19-2005 6:14 PM


Charles Knight, He's a great bullshitter. I agree he is a good story teller. Think he missed his calling, he would of made a great lawyer. Though guess he is sort of defending himself against the IRS and winning.
This is all off topic, even though Kent to his credit is a KJV believer, believing were created in the image of God. Whats the truth is the issue, is the KJV the inspired Words of God.

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Message 259 of 301 (178723)
01-19-2005 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by NosyNed
01-19-2005 6:35 PM


Re: What does the KJV say?
Ned, Is not that something that the KJV in respect to the age of the earth could mean its quite old and the fossils young. Does that scare you? That the dating methods might actually agree with the scripture if one day is as a thousand years. kjv 2 peter 3:8
I think its best to leave the tangled web of all the problems in respect to the isotope dating out of this thread. Its really an off topic request your requesting, because we all know you Ned. We all know what you know, and know that you already know all you need to know in respect to the age of the earth (doubtful that anything the 36 christians would say would dissuade you). Including all the problems in respect to the age of the fossils.

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Message 261 of 301 (178726)
01-19-2005 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Coragyps
01-19-2005 6:19 PM


Coragyps, I do hope you checked out this link, there is more to it than just the Bethlehem retrograde motion.
The bible says there shall be signs in the heavens. kjv Genesis 1:14
The Star of Bethlehem
A magus watching Jupiter that September saw two objects moving so close that they appeared to touch. This close approach of celestial bodies is sometimes called a 'conjunction'. Our Middle Eastern viewer saw Jupiter coming into a close conjunction with the star, Regulus. Regulus takes its name from the word root which yields our word 'regal.' The Babylonians called Regulus Sharu, which means 'king.' The Romans called Regulus Rex, which means 'king.' So to start things, at the beginning of the new Jewish year, the Planet of Kings met the Star of Kings. This conjunction may have indicated kingship in a forceful way.
In 3/2 BC, Jupiter's retrograde wandering would have called for our magus' full attention. After Jupiter and Regulus had their kingly encounter, Jupiter continued on its path through the star field. But then it entered The Star of Bethlehem. It "changed its mind" and headed back to Regulus for a second conjunction. After this second pass it reversed course again for yet a third rendezvous with Regulus, A TRIPLE CONJUNCTION. A triple pass like this is more rare. Over a period of months, our watching magus would have seen the Planet of Kings dance out a halo above the Star of Kings. A coronation.

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Message 268 of 301 (178754)
01-19-2005 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by NosyNed
01-19-2005 7:43 PM


Ned,
Well, it is not actually off topic here if 36C thinks that the KJV establishes a wrong age for the earth. That would be an example of an error in it.
No its not an error with respect to the age of the earth. It simply says the earth was created in the beginning. It could of been 15 billion + or - years ago, or 6,000 years ago. What your saying is that the believer is in error, not scripture. In heaven believers will see all things clearly. 1 Co13:12
As for the fossile being young in old rock: we have had one person make himself look pretty foolish trying to support that idea.
I thought I did quite good as Craig(guess you disagree )(maybe a log in my eye but actually thought I did rather good),in the correlations thread, that anerobic bacteria have been found that actually are able to digest C14 (carbon) in cellose. I also brought to light that wood under 45,000 years of snow varves only dated 11,000 years.
http://nai.nasa.gov/news_stories/news_detail.cfm?ID=87
We got into all the fractionate mineral carbonates that could form easily from "anaerobic digestion" of all this cellose carbon and other carbons present in the varves, including C14 that when digested it would bubble upward to be reabsorbed as mineral fractionate carbonate easily affecting C14/C12 ratio.
Next time you clean your sewer lines see how easy these anerobic organic minerals come off a white plastic garbage can. The whole basis of the accuracy of the varves was that C14 and all carbon in the cellose organics cannot become unbound(thus the C14/C12 ratio is accurate), you now know this is not true.
You should realize varves can be laid down quite quickly. This particular thread was a can of worms. No one knew Lake Suitshu's topography, no core data of the water shed.
No one ever mentioned the role anaerobic digestion play in cellose digestion in respect to C14 carbon digestion and reabsorption of c14 as mineral fractionate carbonates affecting upper varves C14/C12 ratio's.
You can not just use a weak acid to clean these mineral carbonate organic stuff off, at least it didn't work for me when I tried to clean up the mess of unplugging a sewer line in my basement.
You really have no evidence the fossils are older than 11,000 years, you do realize this. It doesn't really matter, because its not an issue in respect to the inerrancy of the kjv, nor the topic of this thread.

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Message 275 of 301 (178779)
01-19-2005 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by NosyNed
01-19-2005 9:23 PM


Ned, The bible says knowledge is increasing, don't get left behind, trying to fill your mind with knowledge. Your strong correlations only support an old earth not an old fossil. What matters in respect to genesis interpretation is that the believer believes in Christ, not that they understand the Wisdom of the Word. Even so Repent!
The Word says it pleased God that by the "foolishness" of the preaching of the gospel to save them that believe because by the wisdom of the word they believed not. It does not say you will get saved by taking a bible correspondence course, knowledge will not save you unless from your spirit you accept Christ.
Your suggestions are silly.
So are yours Bud.

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Message 277 of 301 (178784)
01-19-2005 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Coragyps
01-19-2005 10:26 PM


Coragyps, It said they threw it into the fire, so would it not of melted into the ashes amid the sands. So then its gets less pure, but mingled with impurities. Why would this not make it easier to grind it into smaller pieces, if the gold becomes mingled with impurities.
kjv Psalm 12:6 It says the Words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

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Message 281 of 301 (178816)
01-20-2005 1:32 AM
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01-20-2005 12:14 AM


sidelined, They took all the Gold and made the golden calf, so they had the means to melt the gold.

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Message 297 of 301 (179172)
01-20-2005 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by sidelined
01-20-2005 10:38 PM


Re: PaulK, Brian, Nighttrain, Sidelined
sidelined,
Speculate all you want,however I do not believe there is any evidence of any such Exodus having occured.
Red Sea Crossing Site Rediscovered
The inscriptions on the one found on the west side lying in the water had been eroded off. However, on the one found on the Arabian side, arachaic Hebrew inscriptions were still legible on the leeward side of the column. They read "This monument is erected by King Solomon, king of Israel, in honor of Yahweh in commemoration of the crossing of the Red Sea."
I need not,I hope, have to explain the destruction inherent in the moving of the sun backwards ten degrees.This event,is not to my knowledge, recored anywhere else and such a staggeringly odd incident would not have gone unnoticed.
If you stand on the poles the earth is rotating quite slowly. It would appear that God simply stopped the earth's rotation, rotated the earth in reverse, then caused it to start rotating normally again after he had moved it back 10 degree's. No one knows why some planets rotate in one direction and another in a different direction, the moon doesn't rotate at all. Its God that causes their rotation, unless you can prove otherwise.
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