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berberry
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Message 25 of 35 (181580)
01-29-2005 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by simple
01-29-2005 3:02 AM


Re: All I can find...
How does all this silly nonsense about a flood account for the fact that the Chinese have records for the entire period before, during and after this supposed flood? Of course, they had their "great flood" too, but it was at a different period of time, with different survivors. The bible says that only Noah and his family survived.
Most of the great cultures on earth have a flood legend of some sort. It's understandable since great cultures, being great and all, include great numbers of people. If the numbers of people are great, and they didn't spend their entire existance wandering a desert, then at some point in their histories they would have experienced a flood that covered the entire world so far as they knew. These were people who lived thousands of years ago. Ocean navigation as we know it didn't exist. There was no communication to speak of between different cultures, except in a tribe-to-tribe fashion.
The bible gives one account of such a flood. What baffles me is why fundies see such a compelling need to interpret the flood story literally. In so many other places (Genesis 19, for example) fundies insist that the bible must be understood in the context in which it was written. Why not here? If the flood happened, and it covered the entire world known at that time, why do you need all this nonsense about a flood covering the entire globe in order to understand it?

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berberry
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Message 30 of 35 (181772)
01-30-2005 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by simple
01-30-2005 3:16 AM


Re: All I can find...
simple writes me:
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Guess it would depend on how many thousands of years. Noah had some sea experience!
Not in the modern sense. Ships hugged the coast wherever they went, and the trips were quite short.
I didn't mean to get bogged down in a discussion of the shipping trade at the time of Noah, I was merely making the point that people didn't travel much and were completely unaware of other cultures that existed even in their own region of the world. The idea that Noah might have experienced a flood that covered the entire world as he knew it seems to me enough to satisfy the biblical account. I don't understand why anyone finds it necessary to assert that Noah's flood covered the entire globe.
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Really? Wow, haven't met one yet who thought sodom, and it's lesson was not true. Maybe if they were gay, they might lean that way.
A gay fundie? There may be one or two here and there, I suppose, but most of us aren't that dumb or masochistic.
Be that as it may, fundies most certainly do insist that Genesis 19 be interpreted in the context of its time. Otherwise they would have to acknowledge Lot as the greatest coward in all history, which they steadfastly refuse to do in spite of the overwhelming and utterly damning evidence provided by the bible.

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berberry
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Message 32 of 35 (181778)
01-30-2005 4:27 AM
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01-30-2005 4:20 AM


By jove, I think he's got it
simple reasons, albeit parenthetically:
quote:
some things are obviosly not
YES!!! That's right! Some things in the bible are obviously NOT believable in any literal sense.
Regarding Lot the Coward, you said:
quote:
I don't quite get it.
Then you need to read it again.

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