Is Evolutionist Disparagement of Creationism Justified?

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A sign should be posted on the home page warning creationists that the deck is stacked here. That would only be fair.

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That sign already exists. It's the warning that this is a science site where we discuss from an evidentiary basis. It's in the forum rules and everything. How did you miss it?

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Actually, the sign says 'EvC Forum'. One would assume that the 'C' part would receive equal consideration in discussion going strictly by the sign.
Not only are you highly disrespectful of the believer, other than what you believe, you believe you have the answers to the universe, when you have a thimble barely full with variations on a theme that ripple into variations of variations of.............but have not rippled into whence came that 'first matter', 'first ingredient' that would give you all proof. You cannot even agree among yourselves, at least we agree that there is a God.
Evolution has met what challenge? Proof of what? There is no God?
No, you have not done that. What you have done is taken material you have found, has already existed, and played with it until it has yielded some of its secrets. Commendable.You ask some lame questions of Christians about their belief, and have long beforehand decided that any answer, regardless, will not be acceptable. You argue against a relationship with God without first making sure you have an argument based on evidence that there isn't one. You refuse to accept the formula that makes belief possible for the Christian, without understanding that it is not asked of you to accept it for yourself.You are like wilfull children, who enjoy tormenting that which they consider weaker than themselves. Bullies, schoolyard gangsters, devoid of understanding of the first thing that science teaches, or should teach - respect for life.You make me ashamed.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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You refuse to accept the formula that makes belief possible for the Christian, without understanding that it is not asked of you to accept it for yourself.

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But that's exactly what you're asking. You're asking to have it taught in school as science. You're asking to have it employed in biology as an explanitory framework. You're asking to have it considered as the underpinning of medicine. I could go on and on - there are plenty of situations where you're asking people to accept creationist models like they're really true and really science.

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Please do go on and on, and you will still only have what some people want, not necessarily only creationists, but not all of us and especially not those who are determined to keep religion out of public schools. There are many of the latter, I am one of them.I have never met a creationist who would suggest that religion is science or who would attempt to pass it off as such. Those are the fabrications with which you flatter yourself and that feed your prejudices.

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I have plenty of respect for life. I have no respect for lies offered as truth

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What lies do you offer for truth? That evolution is the be all and end all of all? You know that is not true, and if you promote it as truth, you are much more into lies than I ever could be.I determine what I believe, you determine what you believe. And surely, I have no respect for the lies you promote and offer as truth.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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Where does this come from? It comes from the falsehoods and bad theology that you have been fed.

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You forgot to state that this is your opinion. It is your opinion that science has not failed to proof there is no god. It has failed and will continue to fail.

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Evolution says nothing about God. The majority of believers have no problem with both. The only thing that evolution is any problem for is a minorities interpretation and misunderstanding of the true value of the Bible.

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Evolution does not determine the value of the bible. Evolution poses no problem for the believer, none of science does. When science says there is no god, then there is a problem. You can see that, can't you?

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While I know that there are many who appear to deliberately espouse very poor theology it is surprising that you haven't gotten the true relationship between the sciences and religion sorted out.

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Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa!
Your usual cheap shot, Ned. Be watchful of the things you need to sort out for yourself, before you endeavor to make recommendations to me.

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The sciences are concerned with the natural world. So science is, by definition, not concerned with God.

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It is about nothing other than God.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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This I can understand and sympathize with. But that's what happens when the vast majority of the scientific community rejects your model; when no creationist is able to successfully defend their position.

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The scientific community can reject whatever it pleases.What position does the creationist fail to defend?

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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I have never met a creationist who would suggest that religion is science or who would attempt to pass it off as such.

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I have, many times, right here on this board.

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There's also loads of them at places with names like "Answers in Genesis", and the "Institute for Creation Science".

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In fact, here are several of the relevant bits from AiG's statement of faith which explicitly state that their religion is science:

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AiG Statement of Faith

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1. The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.

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The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ?secular? and ?religious?, is rejected.

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Thanks, Schraffie, you're the best. I forget sometimes the wackos that are out there. Including those that teach that Mary is co-redemptress and other heresies, I say that as an example of the garbage that passes as religion, truth, the word of God. In the hands of the wanton, it becomes unidentifiable. I hang with a different kind of believer, my kind.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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If no one is trying to force a religious view into the science class room what are all the various court cases about then?

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Your naivete is breathtaking. If you believe that this is about God, you'll believe anything.Take a step beyond yourself and see what is REALLY happening here. It is not about God, or promoting God, or wanting God, or loving God, it is about evil and what it uses to create chaos and dissonance. Think about it.Have a good night, Ned.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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I think the attempt to argue for creationism at this site is hopeless no matter how much knowledge the person might have, but I wanted to post this last message to you.

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Hello, Faith. Saw your thank you to me. Glad to help.
I just posted a thread with a question for Christians......why are we here, what is the purpose of being in a place that heaps insult and derision on a believer when Christ so clearly warns against it?
What is the rationale to continue dialogue with people who respond in such a fashion? Christ was more than to the point on this subject in Matthew 7:6, and in his admonishment to shake the dust off our feet whilst leaving a place of unwelcome.We either believe him or we don't. Do as he says, or don't.
The spiritually-minded is foolishness to the unbeliever.....again and again we are shown.I am posting this for this purpose alone.Let the heathens rage against one another.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.

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You would be right if we had come here as missionaries bringing the gospel, but even in that case missionaries often spend years among a people without abandoning the effort despite little positive result. I guess we could think about how that squares with Jesus' words. But in any case bringing the gospel is not my motivation for being here. I love internet discussion and debate and spend quite a bit of time at it on different subjects in different places. I think this is a different situation than the one you are thinking about, but if your topic is accepted I'll take a look at it.

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It is between you and the Holy Spirit.
Folks here will tell you what your motivation is and insist that they are correct.
Blessings to you.

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Pascal's Wager......nice try.