More Lies for God

Originally posted by Brian Johnston:Why are people intent on lying for God?Did you know? It's not lying when you do it for god. The same as it isn't murder when you kill for god as well, it is called justice.

Originally posted by Brian Johnston:LOL Oh yup forgot about that one.

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If I remember correctly, the Yorkshire Ripper tried to use the excuse that it was God that told him to murder 13 women, why is he in jail if god told him to do it?

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Is there some kind of test that can be done by the courts to determine if Sutcliffe was telling the truth or not?You're talking about Man's Law and that doesn't count. Surely courts believe in God, last time i was there I had to swear on the bible that I was telling the truth!!

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Bria

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What happens if you're an atheist and don't believe in the bible? You can't tell the truth? Where I live you don't have to swear on the bible if you don't want to. You can give an affirmation that you will tell the truth instead. Though, I don't believe in compelled oaths, pledges or the like. They still won't stop a liar from lying. They're like most locks, they are only for honest people. [This message has been edited by nos482, 10-31-2002]

Originally posted by Brian Johnston:It is called 'Capital Punishment.'

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Normally capital punishment is a punishment voted in as a law of the state by the members of that state by way of a democratic process.

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Also, the murderer is aware that the punishment for taking a life MAY mean that he/she will have their life taken away from them.

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Best Wishes

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Brian
I think that capital punishment is murder as well. No nation can truly call itself civilized which kills its own citizens. And the death penality has never been an effective deterent against murder.The difference between the Laws of the State and those of god is that we choose our own and their enforcement is real, not some threat of being punished after one dies.

Originally posted by NimLore:For one thing.. God does not need man in order to prove his existance... and the lies of man do not disprove God, even if someone is trying to lie for God..Without believers there is no god since they all create god in their own image.One thing I will say to the extent of people lieing for God.. how about the evolutionists tampering with evidence? Even the greatest scientists use the writings of others as factual and if the writing that they used as factual proves to be erronous then so to will there theory unless of course it is designed to go against the argument.. yeah it happens.That is why they have peer review in science. With religion they just break off and makeup yet another sect.I sure hope that those Christians fix the erronous passage too.

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And as to the comment on it bein ok to lie for God.. Outrageous!.. again God does not need man to prove him, there is proof enough.You don't understand (Big surprise) they don't think that it is lying at all when they do it for their god. Without believers there is no god since god only exist in the beliefs of those who want to believe because this is the biggest lie of all to themselves. You are no different in this.

Originally posted by NimLore:I will defintly differ with you there.. because I come by my facts by prayer.. and I am willing to accept correction WHERE IT IS DO!In other words you make them up?I thought this to be a Creationist vs Evolutionist discussion board.. not a Creationist vs Evolutionist slander board..It's only slander if it isn't true.

Originally posted by NimLore: And I disagree with you that God has left it up to man.. because it in my experience God has very much been part of it.. I very much believe and know God to be alive and well and willing to partake with his creation..And you know this how?It only took him six days to create all we see, he took a day of rest and the rest of the time has been him being active in what he has made.And your proof of this is?

Originally posted by NimLore:I know this because God is very active in my life...How?but my objective here is not to convince you of God, I do not need to prove it when I am allready very secure in my belief of it.. just as secure in it as when I sit into a chair.. that is what faith aught to be like. I love my faith and have no shame in it.Isn't that blasphemy? Aren't you suppose to love your god only instead? It is not the same thing. It's like loving a painting of a woman instead of the woman herself.My proof of the six days is all around us... the reason you can not see that is cause you choose to not acknowledge God and give him thanks for the good things of life and for the trials... you have given up on the Creator and exchanged Him to worship that which is created.That is like saying that sticking a banana in your ear keeps tigers away. And how do you know this, because there are none around...Can you give me proof that God is not real?I'm an agnostic, it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a creator of all. Everything else is just speculation and just plain wishful thinking.[This message has been edited by nos482, 11-02-2002]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Percipient:
Anyway, I don't think people who make mistakes should be called liars. I don't even think people who make mistakes they don't correct should be called liars. Sloppy? Sure. Irresponsible? Of course. Liars? I don't think so.Many of them do this intentionally. They have nothing else.That being said, it is possible that the Passantinos are liars. Check out this report on the accuracy of their statements about their credentials: Long time Prominent Cultwatchers Lie about their Credentials, Investigation Reveals

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--PercyOf course they are lying.

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Originally posted by Percipient:
About the credentials of the Passantinos:

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nos482 writes: Of course they are lying.

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But you don't know that. You've only read an article. How do you know the information in the article is accurate? And if it's not accurate, are you lying? Or simply mistaken?

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--Percy

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Q: How do you know a creationists is lying?A: Their mouth is moving.