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Delshad
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Message 58 of 91 (21851)
11-08-2002 6:42 AM


Hi all, sorry to just jump in this thread like this but I wish to explain a thing.
John, I think you had good intentions with your analogy about the stone rolling down the hill, but sorry to say, it is a bit misleading, dont you think?
Let me explain, no one has stated that a stone can`t roll down a hill and therefore it is quite irrelevant to note the exact path it tooked and calculate the propabilty of another stone to exactly repeat its previous path.
That is , if you throw another stone down the hill, no matter how many bumps or turns, it will still continue downwards and so the end product is essentially the same.
But what Ahmed is saying( if I havent misunderstood him) is that the cause (the throw if you like) havent been observed in abiogenesis and therefore it isnt misleading to calculate the probabilty, because that is the only way to know if it could have happened or not.
Sincerely Delshad

Delshad
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Message 59 of 91 (21852)
11-08-2002 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Ahmad
11-08-2002 6:22 AM


Salam O`aleikum Ahmad.
I think you should be very carefull before you draw any hasty conclusions about Andya`s faith in Islam.
Think about this, if Allah had revealed to Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) that man was descended from primates, how would the Prophet then explain to his followers what was revealed to him, followers that (just previously worshipped stone statues.)
Even now, 21:th century, with all the technological achievemets that has been made, it is quite hard to explain the theory without resistance.
Then how much harder did you believe it would have been for our Prophet to explain to his followers 1400 years ago the theory of evolution.
Do you think it would have helped to spread the holy message, highly unlikely . )
The truth is, that many ayats, in wich explain physical phenomenon, such as the Big Bang, the the theory of expansion, the human developement of the embryo amongst many other miracles, wich were unknown in the Prophts lifetime, are appreciated in our time( by believers) and have enforced our belief in The Quran as a holy Book.
Allah has revealed "and step by step, We will show them our signs so that they will separate the truth from false".
And conserning your statement that the Quran doesnt support evolution
then read this , sura`t Al-Baccara ayah 30.
"Behold thy Lord said to the
angels:"I will create a vicegerent on earth."They said :
"Wilt thou place therein one who will make mischief and shed blood?-
Wilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?"
He said:"I know what ye know not"
Here it becomes clear that the angels had already seen something similar to man, and that they shed blood and made mischief, but these men were not vicegerents of the Earth until the moment they had been blessed with deeper insight of knowledge in both themselves and they`re surroundings, wich becomes clearer in ayah 31 and 32.
Have a good Ramadan brother and try to not be so haste in your conclusions, because if Creation were to be known as an absolute fact, then everyone would be religious and there would be no test, Allah is a god of Truth, The most High, the Beneficient, the Merciful.
Ma Salam Ahmad
Sincerely Dilshad

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Delshad
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Message 78 of 91 (22083)
11-10-2002 6:24 AM


Sorry for going off topic guys.
Hie Quetzal
I will start to work on my topic(why the necessity of religion in our modern society ) and hopefully I should finish at the end of this week, inshallah.
Sorry about the long time but its both because of a lack in time and the need to make it thouroughly, (if I am going to start a thread with you I have a feeling I have to be VERY prepared
Sincerely Delshad

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