Article: Religion and Science

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminAnd thank YOU jar for providing yet another example of your crude personal attacks and incivility to an opponent:

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... willful ignorance.

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... a literal christian viewpoint is incompatible with science, reality or the world we live in.

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Heck I thought it was sort of creative myself. I'm not even sure I read it anywhere, so I'm not even representing creationism for all I know. It just follows from certain Biblical observations and hangs together logically and sure seems to fit the reality I've observed -- which evolution doesn't.It's just not possible to expect any of you dogmatic evos to treat another human being with respect of course. That's OK. Blessed are the persecuted-for-righteousness'-sake, Amen.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-24-2005 08:14 AMThis message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:43 AM

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --Admin Man, persecuted on an Internet forum. Your life must be hell.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:44 AM

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminThere you are again with your snarky remarks, aren't you, froggie? I'm still waiting for an apology.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:44 AM

let me get you to explain how I could better handle such a discussion.When someone believes something which is Factually wrong, say they believe 2 + 2 = 5, what is the best policy? Should we accept that they believe 2 + 2 = 5?Economically, I can see your point. By acknowledging their belief they can be paid with two twenties for every fifty dollars of salary, an immediate savings of 20% in the cost of labor. We can give them 12.8 ounces of beef when they order a pound. When they answer every question on the test we can give them a grade of 80.You may well have a point.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are insisting on the equation between evolution and 2+2=4, remember, and I don't accept it, remember, but for the sake of discussion I go along with you and allow that I'm an ignoramus and totally wrong and am somehow in thrall to 2+2=5, simply because I know you are an immovable object and I'd like to move the discussion along. Wrong or not, I'm a human being and it's human beings who deserve respect, not just the ones you agree with.Your post is nothing but personal ridicule and were I Admin you'd be gone for 24 hours, but I'm not so I merely point it out that you are being a cad and a cur, sir.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-24-2005 08:38 AM

So once again, instead of answering the question you resort to personal attack.Once again, let me get you to explain how I could better handle such a discussion.When someone believes something which is Factually wrong, say they believe 2 + 2 = 5, what is the best policy? Should we accept that they believe 2 + 2 = 5?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminYou treat them with respect, sir, something utterly foreign to your churlish self. You misrepresent me in a most abusive way and do not deserve an answer.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:45 AM

So I should respect their opinion and belief that 2 + 2 = 5? So when it comes to pay day, should they be paid two $20.00 bills for every $50.00 they earn?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminYour posts are nothing but rude bullying. I'm sorry you haven't the common decency to recognize it and apologize.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:45 AM

And so you avoid answering the question.When someone believes something that is factually wrong, for example, 2 + 2 = 5, how should they be handled? Should others respect their opinion and pay them with two $20.00 bills for every $50.00 earned?This is an important question and goes to the heart of this topic.Still waiting for an answer.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminIt's an irrelevant abusive barbarian bullying query.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:45 AM

How is it irrelevant?If someone believes that 2 + 2 = 5, should we support their belief?How is it barbarian?Would the persons best interest be served by allowing them to maintain a wrongly held belief?How is it bullying?If their belief was supported by only paying them two $20.00 bills for every $50.00 they earned, would that not be considered bullying?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the amount of disorder in a closed system can never diminish. However, the earth is not a closed system -- as it is exposed to the steady stream of free energy (energy capable of doing work) -- from the sun, so for example, if you plant a seed in the ground, it is able to grow into a tree, which is a far more highly ordered system than the seed and the surrounding soil.To put this in slightly different terms, a living system is a dissipative structure which is capable of self-organization (increasing order) over time. However, in the process, it must generate entropy, and dissipate more entropy into the surrounding environment than either it generates or receives from the environment itself -- much like an air conditioner is capable of cooling an apartment, but only at the expense of generating more heat in addition to the original heat -- where both the original heat and generated heat get dissipated into the outdoors. (Which means that air conditioners actually contribute to global warming when doing their local cooling. So much for "act locally, think globally" -- at least in this case.) In the case of life on earth, what is ultimately winding down, paying for the party, if you will, is the sun itself. By while it doesn't mind paying the tab, just setting aside evolution for the moment, life can spread across the globe, forests may grow, and civilizations may rise to heights not even dreamt of in the not so distant past.Anyway, too bad this discussion board hasn't turn into some sort of a dissipative structure -- looks more like in may be experiencing a kind of a heat death, as far as I can see. Well, I should get ready for work. I will check back in once I get there.This message has been edited by TimChase, 06-24-2005 09:34 AM

This post is a violation of the Forum Guidelines because it is too critical and personal. Please do not reply. --AdminFaith you may believe that Jar's words are attacks and maybe he could be more diplomatic, but in the end his words are accurate.You are guilty of willful ignorance and you have even admitted as much in other posts. How can it be an example of 'crude personal attacks' when he is just stating an obvious truth? The only way this could be an insult is if you are not guilty of willful ignorance and I'm sorry to say that your own words have put that possibility to rest.His other statement, 'a literal christian viewpoint is incompatible with science, reality or the world we live in', is also glaringly obvious and true. You may not like it but that is the reality.This message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:47 AM

This post is off-topic. Please do not reply. --AdminYou too have no human decency. What is the matter with you people? This is nothing but a personal attack. You do not treat people this way in a civilized society.This message has been edited by Faith, 06-24-2005 09:29 AMThis message has been edited by Admin, 06-24-2005 09:47 AM