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Author Topic:   A christian mystery - what's going on at Apologetic Press?
Chiroptera
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Message 16 of 21 (221254)
07-01-2005 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Sylas
07-01-2005 6:28 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
quote:
(Though it's far from uncommon, in mainstream science also.)
But doesn't that usually occur when the author being removed decides that she doesn't agree with the results in the paper, has a very minor roll in its writing, and asks to have her name removed?
I think it sometimes occurs when the author is found guilty of fraud, and so the author's name is removed (as well as her contributions) from the paper.
But I haven't yet heard of a case in mainstream science where an author's name is removed because her contribution may be seen as "hypocritical", but perhaps I'm naive.

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Sylas
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Message 17 of 21 (221256)
07-01-2005 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chiroptera
07-01-2005 7:24 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
Chiroptera writes:
quote:
(Though it's far from uncommon, in mainstream science also.)
But doesn't that usually occur when the author being removed decides that she doesn't agree with the results in the paper, has a very minor roll in its writing, and asks to have her name removed?
Sorry; I was badly unclear. What is common is for one or more of the authors to a paper to have only a very limited input into it.
It is almost unheard of for an author to be arbitrarily removed later on as appears to have been done in this case.
If Thompson asked to be removed, that would be another matter. But Miller did not say that. Miller just said that they objected to his hypocrisy, and that he he didn't contribute much anyway.
This shows a startling lack of academic ethics on the part of Miller and Apologetics Press.
Cheers -- Sylas

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roxrkool
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Message 18 of 21 (221266)
07-01-2005 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by wj
07-01-2005 7:04 PM


Re: I'm confused.
wj writes:
Is there any indication that what Thompson did was illegal or professionally unethical?
Currently, it seems he's only guilty of homosexuality (seeing as the men/boys in question were past the age of consent... so far). However, it almost seems that they are expecting that to change.

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EZscience
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Message 19 of 21 (221271)
07-01-2005 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chiroptera
07-01-2005 7:24 PM


Re: Absolutely despicable.
Chiroptera writes:
But I haven't yet heard of a case in mainstream science where an author's name is removed because her contribution may be seen as "hypocritical", but perhaps I'm naive.
No. I have never heard of it either. It is very difficult to remove an author from a published article (I don't know of any single instance in a reputable journal, but I suppose its possible).
I think if fraud was implicated, the entire article would be withdrawn.
But these people are all a bunch of hypocrits - both ethically and scientifically. It just goes to further reduce whatever slim shred of credibility they ever had.
Why is it that so many ardent Christian Republican crusaders against gay rights turn out to be gay? Another case was exposed recently involveing the mayor of Spokane, Washington.
"Spokane Mayor Jim West, who championed an anti-gay agenda during his tenure as one of the most powerful Republicans in the Legislature, yesterday admitted to using the trappings of his current office to entice what he thought was a young adult man but denied allegations that he molested two young boys more than 20 years ago.
West confirmed to The Spokesman-Review of Spokane that he offered gifts, favors and a City Hall internship during Internet chats with a man he believed was 18. The online pen pal was actually a forensic computer expert working for the newspaper. After the story hit the newsstands yesterday, West sent city staffers a remorseful e-mail.
"I want to sincerely apologize to you personally for the shame I have brought to the Mayor's office and the city," West wrote. "I stumbled and let you down."
The accusations of child molestation stem from The Spokesman-Review's three-year investigation and interviews with two felons who said West fondled them and forced them to perform sexual acts on him when they were Boy Scouts."
I don't care that he's gay, but what an F_ing hypocrit - and I think it runs deep in the Republican Party. Apparently they have their own gay activist movement. Why don't these misguided bum-jockeys just find a different party? Is their Christianity over-riding their sexuality ?
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Omnivorous
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Message 20 of 21 (232632)
08-12-2005 1:20 PM
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07-01-2005 8:29 PM


If there is a sin, and nobody sees it, does it still exist?
Sounds like AP only acted when it became clear they couldn't keep the "victims" quiet.

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jar
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Message 21 of 21 (232633)
08-12-2005 1:23 PM
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08-12-2005 1:20 PM


Re: If there is a sin, and nobody sees it, does it still exist?
And even then they did not address the issue but in a most dishonest manner just UnPersoned the guilty party.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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