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Message 72 of 90 (199715)
04-16-2005 6:48 AM

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04-12-2005 3:42 AM

Re: Everything a fantasy in god's mind?

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Message 74 of 90 (199783)
04-16-2005 6:10 PM

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04-16-2005 11:35 AM

Thanks for the reply.

We're getting pretty far into the woods as far as the topic is concerned. Maybe a new thread?

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Message 76 of 90 (203997)
04-30-2005 6:19 PM

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04-16-2005 11:35 AM

Re: Everything a fantasy in god's mind?

Whats a theist supposed to say? According to your logic, you exist for a miniscule sum of time on a dust speck of a planet in a somewhat rare solar system (so far as logic has currently informed us) within one of a hundred billion galaxies. Despite being so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, you think it better to try and arrive at lifes conclusions without any help from any sort of a Creator whom could exist!

So you think that mankind is the reason the universe exists?

There exists (in my belief) an unseen spiritual realm of unknown origin and motive around us as we think. The Holy Spirit is there too, and He patiently awaits our acknowledgement and acceptence.

Yet humanity, in all of our quirkiness and ill placed arrogance, brushes off any communion with this loving Creator!

We would rather peer through our puny telescopes and microscopes that we have invented and attempt to go it alone...bringing our insignificant species into the destiny that WE..somehow...have imagined for ourselves!

We have no means of seeing the unseen, at least the telescopes are looking at the real world.

Is a cosmic "old man" so illogical?

When we are young, fathers seem all-powerful, then we transfer the belief to an all-powerfull cosmic daddy.

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Message 77 of 90 (204000)
04-30-2005 6:30 PM

Reply to: Message 75 by Peter
04-29-2005 8:17 AM

Re: Design Detection

I doubt there IS any way of detecting design 'by inspection'.

Yes, it seems to me that if we could detect design, that would mean that the designer had someting in comon with us.

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Message 82 of 90 (205154)
05-05-2005 4:54 AM

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05-03-2005 8:28 AM

Re: Design Detection

I don't believe that we can directly detect design
in objects that we KNOW have been designed by other
humans.

So commonality with the supposed designer is irrelevant.

I'm having a hard time understanding this post, do you mean we can't know that the great pyramid is designed?

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Message 84 of 90 (232762)
08-12-2005 5:43 PM

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08-12-2005 6:07 AM

Re: Design Detection

Yes.

Just by looking at an artifact we cannot say that
it was designed. We assume design based upon experience
of designed objects, but that's not the same as formally
determining that something was designed.

We assume that the great pyramid was designed since it conforms
to our knowledge of 'designed' buildings/structures. It is composed
of blocks (which we know are used by people in construction) and
possibly we can still detect some tool marks on the stones.

It's still an assumption not a strict determination. It requires
KNOWLEDGE that such things ARE designed.

Where would we gain this knowledge? From the pyramid, I would think.

With the bar this high, how can you prove anything is designed?

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Message 86 of 90 (232795)
08-12-2005 7:19 PM

Reply to: Message 85 by ramoss
08-12-2005 6:20 PM

It's a pyramid

I disagree. We can tell that it was designed by anumber of ways. First of all, the shape and location of the blocks.. and the fact that the origin of the blocks is not from the site where the pyramids reside.

And the fact that it is a pyramid; not to many natural ones.