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Originally posted by gene90:
??? I beg to differ. It says that the Gentiles should not be troubled with the Law of Moses.
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Then we can ditch the thing?

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Jesus Christ through his life death and resurection has fulfilled the law and freed us from it's bondage. I do not envy the isrealites who had to live by this law, it's the most demanding I've ever encountered. This said there is a reason this law was given, and some of the guidlines given by the law have excellent applications in our lives. It also lays out how we should worship. So while we are freed from the bondage and ritual of the law, I believe that we should still definately attempt to observe it. (minus the ritual of course)------------------
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I don't see the inconsistency. We are freed from the law, but the law still contains much wisdom, so out of love for God we try and adhere to his law. However we have been freed from the ritualistic bondage of the law. Jesus Christ is the atonement for sins, no more need for baths, and sacrafice, or chewing on scrotums. Yay God!! lol. Alot of the law as stated in Leviticus is also to a specific culture, and we don't find a place to apply it to our lives. Anyways don't want to spin off topic if anyone wants to discuss the law, Forgiven and I have started a thread called the Law. No-one was interested at the time, but I believe the thread is still there in the Faith and Belief forum.------------------
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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Alot of the law as stated in Leviticus is also to a specific culture, and we don't find a place to apply it to our lives.

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Funk, the Levitical laws created the culture. Saying it doesn't apply is the same as saying you abandonned them.

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So until the law there was no culture existing in the world? There were no common ways of doing things? There were no similarities in behaviour because of economic conditions, physical location, or other social influences?------------------
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zipzip, be careful what you say here, I think John likes to get Christians to blow up and freak out, in order to make you look the fool. Sorry John. God did do all the good stuff and man all the evil, it's true. Biblically anyway. I wouldn't say you don't assume what people think John, there have been plenty of times I've had to clarify because you've made incorrect assumptions. John this is a pride issue, you claim not to believe therefore we as believers attempt to instruct you in the TRUTHS of the bible. Yes sometimes we are wrong and it's good that you put some thought into it instead of taking what we say for gospel truth. On the other hand just because it's from a Christian doesn't mean it's not true. Remember not just children are students. BTW I am not taking a stab at you here John, just trying to help you see were we are coming from. John you are consistently taking old testament occurances and calling them condoned by God. Oh whatever I give up. I can't get this point through anywhere.------------------
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Wow, that's awesome Delshad, well put I can agree with you.------------------
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Okay John I'll take a run at these passages I'm sure you'll let me know if it's not sufficient. My knowledge of the law is limited, I admit but let's give it a try anyway. (I wish this forum had a pre-post function, where you could send your post to those who agree with you and have them help you with wording and such, before you post it on the board) -First off I think this passage is out of context as far as applying to the heading rape. NIV (I usually use the old King James but this is easier for someone who doesn't read the KJV all the time)-So I think this has to do with sleeping with a slave girl who belongs to someone else, has not been freed from their slavery or is otherwise married or pledged to someone else.
-They cannot be put to death for this crime because the woman is a slave. So this doesn't have directly to do with rape. Unless you have an objection.
-Also worth noting is that rape is not condoned, God doesn't say go ahead and rape young virgins.What were you getting at with Numbers 31 ? (NIV)Would you rather that they left them behind after they had killed all the men? In this particular point in time there were much more savage foes than the Israelites, who would definately take advantage of these defenceless women and children. Probably helped add to the gene pool too, avoiding deformities and all. -Considering the culture I think this is pretty honourable. The women are provided for, they are given time to grieve their loss and offered a new beggining. If things don't work out then she is free, cannot be sold or treated as a slave. Again we see that God wants to provide for the children and the widowed. (NIV)-Okay for one thing this kind of crime can never really be attoned for, the pain and suffering of this woman and her family is something that a man cannot reverse.
-However he is now responsible for that girl, he has defiled her. The silver to the father is something like a dowry, considering his daughter is defiled and would likely not be married off otherwise. In this culture what would you do if you were not married and your father and mother died, you would be in a terrible position. So to kill the man for this crime would solve nothing. Better that he marry her and never be able to cut her loose. In this way he makes some atonement to the family and to the young woman. (NIV)-In this particular case John I believe that this is speaking of Sisera's army. Sisera's husband is wondering where he is and her "wise women" are suggesting that he is gathering the plunder and that is why he has not returned. When in fact he will not return because in vs 25-27 it tells us that Jael has slain him. -Umm what? Samson chose a Philistine woman for a wife, his parents understandably would rather he married an Israelite woman. However he wanted this Philistine woman, which turned out to be his undoing. What was your problem here? Sorry not sure.The last passage you have there is Judges 19:22-30. I read the whole acount of the story, not just the passage you quote here. Now the first thing I noticed is that nowhere is God mentioned in this chapter. It's not his idea or doing. Seems just a historical account of a terrible thing. It is savage I agree completely. Still is not commanded by God, or condoned. It seems to be just history.Does this help with any of those passages John? I tried to do the best I can personally do with this. I'm going to see what I can find about this last passage in particular. Judges is considered a historical book.------------------
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