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Peter
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Message 96 of 239 (22199)
11-11-2002 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by mark24
11-01-2002 11:22 AM


quote:
Originally posted by mark24:
quote:
Actually I do have dogs, and humping is not a sign of homosexuality, it is how dogs jocky for position withing the pack. Aggressive dogs(male or female) will hump others to show that they are higher in the pack heirarchy. My dog has been known to hump my cats for that very reason, unless you are going to tell me that my dog is both a lesbian AND into bestiality.
Curious. My ol' mum has 3 BITCHES, & two of them hump...... ME!!!!! Not Mum, not Dad, not my brother or sister, just me! Now, I do love those dogs (but not that much!), & probably make more of a fuss of them than most. Is it then indicative that they are putting me in my place? This is more disturbing than I first thought, I'm being usurped!
Oh well, there goes the "animal magnetism" theory......
Mark

According to conventional dog-training thinking you are being
viewed as an equal ... most likely because you interact with them
in a manner consistent with sibling playing, and do not assert
dominance over them.
Whether that's true or not I have no idea, but several characteristics
of modern dog training seem to work for me.
Do you fuss the dogs whenever they come to you?

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Peter
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Message 134 of 239 (26282)
12-11-2002 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by nator
10-24-2002 10:20 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
Sorry, this is more from the above link. Too good to leave out:
"People, especially adults, loving each other and harmlessly having consensual sex are hardly major worries compared to people hating and being mean to each other, such as being prejudice or going to war. Homosexuals who want to love and raise a child are to be supported and praised; children raised by lesbian mothers are just as heterosexual and just as well adjusted as their peers (Tasker, 1995). Likewise, 91% of the sons of gay men (who had been married) lead a heterosexual life style. Gay parents seem to produce straight children."
"Homosexuals simply have the genes, hormones, and/or early childhood experiences that orient them towards their own sex for affection and/or sexual gratification. There are many theories about the causes of homosexuality. And, this needs to be understood better; knowledge would help us give up the notion that it is vile. See Money (1989) for a rather technical summary of the research about homosexuality and unusual sex needs, called paraphilias. I suspect our bodies are built to instinctively respond with interest to almost any kind of sexual activity. Powerful social training is probably necessary to teach us to avoid certain kinds of harmless sexual activity, such as masturbation, and to scorn other activities, such as sex play with our own sex.
(Emphasis on the following added by me)
(Note: we seem to have little interest in theorizing about why heterosexual tendencies, such as breast or buttocks fetishes, occur; we are quite content with the shallow explanation that it is natural. But we seem to need a deeper and more pathological explanation of homosexual tendencies.)"

I seem to remember reading quite a lot of literature aimed
at explaining breast and buttock attractions so there must be
a fair amount of work put into that.
My main question about this thread is really ... what are you
actually asking/getting at?
Most sexual researchers stress that in a very real sense we
all exhibit 'homosexual' tendancies in the sense that we can
respond sexually to any-gender ... our view of homosexuality
must therefore being entirely cultural.
Still ... what are you actually asking/saying etc. ?

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Peter
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From: Cambridgeshire, UK.
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Message 186 of 239 (27132)
12-18-2002 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by gene90
12-11-2002 11:18 AM


Oh.
I don't really see the issue.
Any behaviour exhbited by any animal (including humans)
surely falls under the definition of 'natural'.
Similarly any behaviour of any people can become the subject
of one or more cultural taboos.
There is no connection between whether something is natural
and whether it becomes culturally acceptable. Usually these
things seem to be politically motivated ... but that's another
issue I guess.

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