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nwr
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Message 5 of 238 (284833)
02-08-2006 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Evopeach
02-07-2006 8:50 PM


You seem to have your facts confused.
There is a computer sitting in my office, that has been running continuously, never rebooted, for 396 days. It does around 1 billion operations per second. No errors after 396 days. That makes your one error in a billion look bad by comparison.
The six sigma quality control standard is for complete products, not for individual operations within those products. In terms of biology, it would be like saying that only 3.4 pregnancies in a million would result in spontaneous abortions or in children born with birth defects. Biology does not come close to meeting that standard.
If you thought you were giving an example that biology is so great that it must be intelligently designed -- then I'm afraid you missed badly.

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Message 37 of 238 (284979)
02-08-2006 1:18 PM
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02-08-2006 9:35 AM


Re: Red Herring Master
First you fail to say if your blops are doing anything other than OS routines over and over.
I'm not sure why that would matter.
The particular system I had in mind is a server that handles email, DNS lookups, a database manager, many student logins per day, much compiling of C and C++ programs by students. That seems to be a tad more than "OS routines".
Second all OS of any sophistication and associated firmware have self correcting code which eliminates errors in read write, memory operations and communications routines that you would never be aware of, never observe and would be totally undetected.. that's sort of the purpose of having them. So your sophmoric example merely demonstrates a laymans view of IT.
The particular system has ECC memory (error correcting). The operating system (solaris) logs hardware errors. There have been no such errors logged during the stated period (396 days).
There have, of course, been minor software errors, such as students running buggy C++ programs.
So your sophmoric example merely demonstrates a laymans view of IT.
Your insults were unwarranted.

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Message 46 of 238 (285005)
02-08-2006 2:35 PM
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02-08-2006 1:52 PM


Re: Red Herring Master
Error correcting memory tasks are not logged and error corrected hardware errors are not all logged only those that are so programmed.
Solaris logs these.
If you think every reread on a hard drive is logged you are very sadly mistaken.
Rereads due to data errors are logged on solaris. In the case of corrections, the log reports whether the data was refreshed or was relocated to an alternate track.
Your application is not a billion operations per second as far as I can see.
That depends on what is meant by "operation". For comparison with your assertions regarding base pairs, it ought to mean a 1-bit operation, whether setting, toggling or copying that one bit. Many 1-bit operations take place in each machine cycle. Incidently, the particular computer has two CPUs.
If you weren't there and examined every log yourself you have no proof that a restart and rollback never occurred anyway its all very suspicious.
I have examined each days logs on this machine from the time it was first installed.

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Message 124 of 238 (285524)
02-10-2006 12:18 PM
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02-10-2006 11:25 AM


Going back off topic
This probably off-topic. But it is a reply to the originator of this topic.
The Intelligent Designer would have no limits to their creative abilities, ...
The reasonable conclusion is that the intelligent designer is just the some omnipotent God of creationism. That is, ID is merely creationism in disguise.
It seems that ID proponents can't help themselves, they just keep admitting that it is really creationism.
I am unaware of any theory that that gains credible acceptance until its most fundamental premises have been adequately demonstrated so as to gain universal support (more than 50% of the American public doubts the theory of evolution) except the theory of evolution.
More than 90% of the American public doesn't even understand relativity. And the degree of "universal support" for QM would be even less.

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nwr
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Message 129 of 238 (285587)
02-10-2006 1:33 PM
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02-10-2006 1:12 PM


Re: Going back off topic
SO you think the comparision of the publics k-12 exposure to relativity theory and quantum mechanics is commensurate with their exposure to all things evolutionary.
It might be more honest to compare exposure to relativity theory with exposure to evolutionary theory, and to compare exposure to all things evolutionary with exposure to all things relativistic.
Your post is a prime example of distortion, inuendo, half-truths and illogical argument.
Those attributes would better characterise your post. I have just pointed out some of the distortion.
The public from age 3 to 30 is pillaried with evolutionary dogma from every avenue in American life.
Most of the "evolutionary dogma" that they see comes from creationists, and is wrong.
If your argument is Americans are too ingorant and stupid to understand the brilliance of the evolutionary bioloby crowd.. just say it in plain english.
Now what was that you were saying about "distortion, inuendo, half-truths and illogical argument."
Most evolutionary scientists would prefer to spend their time in the lab doing science, where the public would rarely hear from them.

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