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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
What constitutes an "ID paper", anyway? Any paper that is antithetical to the theory of evolution and which does not invoke God.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Even if we allowed you to lie to the kids and tell them that Darwin was all wrong, what actual scientific basis do you have that will justify allowing you to suggest to our children that an intelligent designer is responsible for life and organic diversity? Children will believe anything that is taught.In the public school, they have been taught (brain washed) that Evolution is a fact. The outcome is that our students do extremely poor in Maths and Science. On the other hand, in private schools and even home schools where they teach CRITICAL THINKING, students do far better in MAths and Science when compared to the brain washed students in the public schools.Why is this?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
haven't seen it) ... (1) How does teaching evolution impact the education in math? Evolution has nothing to do with math education, so there should be no correlation to performance in math education. (2) Private schools that teach evolution (the non-religious ones eh?) have no such correlation with poor performance in maths and sciences. For your conclusion to be valid (that teaching evolution is the cause of poor grades) then both (1) and (2) should NOT happen. They do.Thus your conclusion is totally invalid Teaching of evolution has nothing to do with the performance in Maths. I want the students to learn what is evolution.Issue here is not what is taught. But, how it is taught. When the teacher emphatically states that EVOLUTION is a fact based only on the premise that facts will not be presented,but are presumed as facts. You can say anything about private schools. The taste is in the pudding. For learning mathematics and Science, the teachers must encourage critical thinking. The best way, Science can be taught is to allow students to make Critique of what is being taught. The questions: Why should it be this way? why not the other way? If only students atre given this opportunity, they will certainly develop logical reasoning on any other topic, not necessarily related to the studies. But, this applies to everyday issues in life. This is a serious flaw and a defect which is being perpetuated by the School administration all over the country.No wonder our students are one track minded. This is why we need school choices.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
haven't seen it) ... (1) How does teaching evolution impact the education in math? Evolution has nothing to do with math education, so there should be no correlation to performance in math education. (2) Private schools that teach evolution (the non-religious ones eh?) have no such correlation with poor performance in maths and sciences. For your conclusion to be valid (that teaching evolution is the cause of poor grades) then both (1) and (2) should NOT happen. They do.Thus your conclusion is totally invalid Teaching of evolution has nothing to do with the performance in Maths. I want the students to learn what is evolution. I mean it. Issue here is not what is taught. But, how it is taught. When the teacher emphatically states that EVOLUTION is a fact based only on the premise that facts will not be presented,but are presumed as facts, we have aproblem. For learning mathematics and Science, the teachers must encourage critical thinking. The best way, Science can be taught is to allow students to Critique what is being taught. The questions students must be encouraged to ask will be: Why should it be this way? why not the other way? If only students are given this opportunity, they will certainly develop logical reasoning on any other topic, not necessarily related to the studies. At this point, we should expect much better performance in Mathematics and Science.Critical thinking will also be applicable to everyday issues in life. The word Brain washing is really hard( I did not watn to use it) and this is exactly what is going on in schools today. This not meant to insult anyone. This is the reality.We must face the facts. I was attending a conference of learning and memory in Magdeburg(E.Germany) which was under Soviet occupation. I visited the Church that Martin Luther attended. In those days, Churches were not allowed to be used for Christian worship.There was no religious freedom. But, they were used to educate young children on Marxism. On Sundays, the children were mandated to attend their classes in which only Marxism was taught. This is indoctrination. How is teaching only Evolution and not any opposing views is not a form of indoctrination? This is a serious flaw and a defect in our system which is being perpetuated by the School administration all over the country.No wonder our students are one track minded. There has been a huge cry that the schools need more money. In our state, we had a robust economy. But, the school system gave itself 2% raises every year. Because of this, our taxes were raised. If the money went to the class room, I will be the happiest person. The extra money is going towards the best pension/ retirement plans of teachers which is enviable. In spite of added funds, the children still do not do well in Maths and Science. It is a shame that A senator even proposed that we must IMPORT brilliant Students from INDIA who are good in maths and Science. We all must be ashamed of this approach and our dying system. One alternative to this is to give school choices. This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 05-02-2006 09:37 PM
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Can you explain why math is affected but other non-science courses aren't Mathematics requires logical and critical thinking. Those teachers who encourage critical thinking build very good mathematicians.Other subjects like Physics, chemistry, which are mathematics based subjects also fall in this category.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Critical thinking can very well be applied to everyday life. It is not only applicable to Mathematics,but also other subjects.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I wrote that Teaching of Evolution has nothing to do with poor performance in Maths and Science. I also wrote that what is taught is not important. But, how it is taught is more important. I also insisted that Evolution must be taught. Here is the distinction: If evolution is taught as the only mechanism by which all living things originated, then there is a problem. On the other hand, if the teacher also tells the students that at present, there is no explanation as to how life came into existence, then the teacher is doing a perfect job. It will be even better if the teacher allows the students to question why should this be Evolution alone? Can there be any other way life could have come into existence?
I did not contradict anything. You did not understand what I meant. One more time.My emphasis was teaching Evolution with Critical thinking and Teaching Evolution without Critical thinking. Without allowing students to think critically not only of Evolution, but of any other subject does not help them to perform Mathematics and Science very well.The reason: These two subjects depend on Logic and reasoning
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I have tried to explain in as many simple ways I could. You keep on beating the same drum. i am sorry.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
As does evolution. So far it is the only logical explanation that fits all the facts in a consistent and predictable manner This is where the problem is. Where does evolution stand if there are no assumptions, suppositions, predictions and extrapolations?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Do you realize you are arbitrarily outlawing the very foundations for formulating any testable theory when you spew forth such drivel? No one is outlawing anything. We are only asking simple questions. We are not getting any answers. First of all you know verywell that the foundation of evolution is based purely on Naturalism which is a philosophy and it is not even Science. Why are you still defending this holy cow?
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