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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What a selective memory you have, Faith. You continually expect the US government to give your religious faith special privilages and rights while denying others those same rights.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
"empiricist dogma."
That is an oxymoron.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, you are asking the wrong person, as I don't think it's a virtue at all, but a failing.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What people?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: And I asked, who were those honest people? Who were they?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You are equating philosophical empiricism with scientific empiricism.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, I get that. WHO were they? Like, what were their names? Where did they come from? Where did they go and what did they do? Where are their graves? Where is the outside verification from non-Biblical sources that they even existd, let alone wrote and did all the things you claim they did?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Memeory is not a video tape, Faith. Memory consists mostly of your brain reconstructing your personal perception of events. It fills in blanks and constructs details out of whole cloth, and changes things around to be more consistent with your past perceptions, biases, experiences, and prejudices. Furthermore, the ability to form accurate memories is greatly influenced by your attention and emotions. All of this is very easily demonstrated and as a result of this research the influence of eyewitness testimony in courtrooms has been diminished and the importance of physical evidence has become much more important. That's why it doesn't matter how sure a woman is that the man sitting in the defendant's chair was her rapist if his DNA doesn't match that of the samples collected from her after the attack. It couldn't have been him. Of course, you don't believe in the validity of DNA testing...
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Upon what outside verification and evidence do you base this judgement? Or, are you sayig that you don't need any extra-Biblical verification? That, essentially, "the Bible is true becaise the Bible is true"? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But historians do not declare something they read in a single book (particularly a religious book) as historical fact unless they have verified it with numerous outside sources that have nothing to do with that book. You cannot claim the reliability and respectability of academic historical scholarship and also be completely lax and sloppy in your methodology, which is exactly what you are doing.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: For the same reason YOU do not believe in Thor. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Someone can be telling me something that is untrue and not be lying. They are simply wrong. Mistaken. That's why I don't believe everything people tell me just because THEY believe it to be true, especially if it involves some kind of claim of fact. People believe things for all sorts of reasons, and mopst people believe the truth of the things they hear without checking to find out if they are based in fact or not. Haven't you ever heard of urban legends? Faith's claim that the Bible is an accurate historical document might be correct, and might be incorrect, or might be a combination of the two. Let me ask you, ian. How does one go about finding out if something, say, a crime, happened? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, one could come to those conclusions. What does that have to do with faith in God? I hope you aren't trying to equate those love letters with the Bible, because they are not in any way comparable, other than being on paper. And, as I said, just because they believe what they are saying doesn't mean that they aren't gravely mistaken. Being wrong is not the same as willful deception. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Or, you are so desperate for confirmation of your desires for God to be real that you give a lot of weight to the "hits" you encounter in the bible and downplay or ignore the "misses". Subjective emotion is hardly a "cross check" of facts, Ian. It's confirmation bias at work here.
quote: I never said they were less intelligent. Quite a lot less sophisticated in certain areas, of course, but not less smart. What you seem to be forgetting is that the Bible was written in the Jewish scholarly style, which makes liberal use of symbolism, metaphor, and parable. It is a teaching tool, not a history or science text.
quote: Well, right. All you have is blind belief.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So any bunch of writings that I find from many different authors who all agree with each otehr as much as the Bible does you would consider self-authenticated?
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