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Author Topic:   Woese's progenote hypothesis
randman 
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Message 175 of 194 (339557)
08-12-2006 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by crashfrog
08-11-2006 10:42 PM


the fallacy of evos
But we don't need perfect knowledge about the chemical origin of life to know that the Biblical account, or any other contention of divine origin, simply doesn't match the facts.
This is typical of the deeply erroneous and illogical nature of evolutionism, but you probably cannot see it. Truthfully, even if life sprang up from abiogenesis, that testified to divine beginnings as much as anything else.
"Let the waters bring forth...."
Of course, you have no facts for abiogenesis, but facts never interfere with a good evos dogmatism.

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Message 178 of 194 (339674)
08-12-2006 7:57 PM
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08-12-2006 6:41 PM


Re: Multiple abiogenetic events
But the presence of organic chemicals basically means squat. It's like saying that because we have one factor in a thousand established, the other 999 are true.

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Message 188 of 194 (340594)
08-16-2006 6:33 PM
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08-16-2006 4:56 AM


Re: A Woese by any other name
Seems to me you are advancing a semantics-based argument. Woese definitely proposes a non-vertical evolutionary process (you may want to read WK's comments), and so natural selection would presumably work in a semi-Lamarckian fashion with advantageous traits passed horizontally, and so though the organism's offspring wouldn't necessarily be advantaged, the trait would within the community as a whole.
As far as your comments, the thread is fairly narrowly defined. Woese proposes a hypothetical creature and process, non-observed, in order to counter specific problems he feels are insurmountable any other way.
Do you have a comment on the topic at hand or not?

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