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Topic: On feeling sorry for people
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 11 of 300 (341912)
08-21-2006 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 9:09 AM
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So you missed a great opportunity. You claim that your "heart went out to them", yet you didn't do squat about it. Did you ask one of the staff if there were any that would enjoy a conversation? We already know you did not try to talk to any of them. You seem to use charges of PC as a shield and a defense, as do many. So far though I have not seen anyone show how anything in any of the "Nobody understands me" threads was based on being Politically Correct. I believe you missed an opportunity. Too bad.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 18 of 300 (341920)
08-21-2006 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 13 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 11:53 AM
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So? I'm being criticized for that? That's ridiculous. Please show where in that post I criticized you? I said you missed an opportunity. It was your loss, not theirs.
If you look back at the reactions in the "Boasts of Atheists" thread, you will see a very good example of PC at work. Oh yeah, that thread was pretty funny too. I remember that one. And still no support for anything in this or any other thread being Politically Correct, just the normal assertion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 25 of 300 (341931)
08-21-2006 12:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 12:15 PM
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You said I didn't "do squat." That sounds like criticism to me. The tone is critical. Ah, so YOU percieve "didn't do squat" as critical. It is not then a matter of what I said but of how YOU process it. Trust me, if I wish to criticize you it will be in terms that carry more weight than squat.
If you like I can quote those negative reactions from the other thread that jumped all over me for my "dehumanizing" comment about the Veterans. That's PC-style morality. So you assert. You pull out the old label-maker and zip ---> things are labeled politically correct. I must admit that labeling is much easier than trying to deal with the issues. And again, as I have made clear in everyone of the posts you are responding to here, the loss was yours, not theirs.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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robin writes: I think most people would interpret the above remark as quite critical. I don't doubt that YOU think that. However it was only one part of a larger comment. Here is the content of Message 11 that you quotemined in full.
So you missed a great opportunity. You claim that your "heart went out to them", yet you didn't do squat about it. Did you ask one of the staff if there were any that would enjoy a conversation? We already know you did not try to talk to any of them. You seem to use charges of PC as a shield and a defense, as do many. So far though I have not seen anyone show how anything in any of the "Nobody understands me" threads was based on being Politically Correct. I believe you missed an opportunity. Too bad. If you read what was written, instead of pulling one line out, I believe you will see that all I said was that you missed an opportunity, that it was your loss, not theirs. You complain that folk criticize you, yet you start thread after thread returning to the same theme and resort to the same tactics of trying to place your internal labels on what is said to you.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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How did he miss out on an opportunity? It was there, he didn't take it and doesn't feel bad about his choice... what was missed? A very good question. Unfortunately so many of these threads of robin's are simply continuations of long past threads. In the one where he mentioned his visit to the VA hospital, I presented a personal experience similar to his. I was once visiting my Great-Aunt (lived to be well over 100 years old) only to find her sleeping or busy or something. So I was leaving the nursing home and I passed an old gentleman in a wheelchair. I stopped and talked for awhile and it turned out he had lived in Texas while it was still frontier, still the wild west. It was fascinating and I learned a lot about what the Rio Grande Valley was like before all the folk moved in. In the earlier thread I was trying to point out that there is another viewpoint one can take beyond simply feeling sorry for folk. In particular, there is a wealth of instituional knowledge in our older folk. We are rapidly losing the Willies and Joes, the knowledge of the depression, of the expanse of the nation. Remember that Oklahoma and New Mexico and Arizona only became states after 1900. History moves further back everyday. And so much of it is not written, not recorded except in the minds of those that lived it.
I took it as a critical remark. You are softly attacking his action, no positive reinforcement, then giving a "too bad" at the end. Letting, at least me, know that you disagreed with what he did. Sure I disagree with robin about almost everything. As to what he did, he brought it up in a thread. It was not something solicited, but volunteered. He continues to bring them up. These threads are not started by others, but by robin. If he simply wants to speak, without anyone responding, then he can so indicate in the opening post and one of the admins will happily close the thread for him as soon as they see it. But when he brings these things up time after time, I assume, perhaps wrongly, that he is seeking a response.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 42 of 300 (341970)
08-21-2006 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by ringo
08-21-2006 1:55 PM
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Life is the sum of small opportunities.
Almost all the experiences we have are small opportunities. I guess I believe we can try our best to make them add up to something larger, or simply let them flow by. It is up to each individual which path they choose.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
I cannot be held responsible for what you believe robin. If you wish to feel I criticized you then fine, I have no problem with that. Whatever makes you happy.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
Question: Do you think what Robinrohan did was ok? Was it okay? Sure. He is robin.
In your post to him it was not noted that in anyway did you agree with his actions. Right, I don't agree with his actions.
When you obviously put more stock in one position and find a fault with the one he took how can you not call the criticizing? All I did was present an alternative series of actions. I believe this is a discussion board. When someone starts a thread usually it is to discuss the contents of the opening post.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
What you did is present a personal, "better", series of actions. No, I presented an alternative. Whether it is better or worse I imagine every individual will decide for themselves.
What I am getting out of it is that you are fine with him makeing his choice because he is Robin, but you wouldn't make the same choice because you are Jar. Sure. I do not have to live with robin, only jar.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 79 of 300 (342048)
08-21-2006 4:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by Faith
08-21-2006 4:12 PM
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Re: On Having To Do Something
Faith writes: Robin was harassing and bullying the veterans and needed to be stopped? No, robin is singing "Poor little petunia in an onion patch". We got it the first time he started a "Poor Robin" thread and we get it this time.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
If it was just a pure alternative and not any better then what already took place then the words "missed out" and "too bad" shouldn't have been included. Why?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
Great refers to the opportunity. It is not related to other options. They too might have been great, or not so great, or pityful.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
Again if it isn't any better why even bother with the descriptive? More effecient to leave it out along with your "missed out" and "too bad". Why? Does robin want us to be honest or just to reinforce his position? Does he want us to be PC? What do you prefer?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
Because it WAS a great opportunity and one he missed. Them's facts.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Ah, now we get Robin's Theory.
My theory, Tusko, is that one rule in Ringo's and Jar's moral code is that one ought to be public-spirited and interactive with people, and so I violated that code. And so once again Robin shows that he knows more about what others believe than they do themselves. I assume that you can show where either Ringo or I have said that? In addition, what the hell difference does it make if you violate my moral code (as if you had a clue what my moral code is)? If it is my moral code™ then it is something I need to try to live by. And how about actually supplying links to some of these things? If you go to all the trouble to actually look something up, include the link to it so folk can see it in context.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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