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Message 1 of 36 (344035)
08-27-2006 7:10 PM


Was there ever a J sound in Hebrew?
Whenever it is stated that there is no J sound in the Hebrew, there's a fact that the Scribes, doctorates and the hebraists, have been omitting.
1st. The statement can only be applied to Modern Hebrew.
2nd. Paleo Hebrew differs from the Modern. No evidence is found that the Hebrew consonant phonemes remained the same from two thousand years ago.
3rd. In the book of Genesis there are evidences of the existence of a consonant phoneme Jewd in the Ancient Hebrew Language, for the consonant sounds of the new languages derived from the confounding of the phonemes which had already existed in the first and perfect ancient Hebrew language.
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In the time that the whole earth had one Language and the same words, some men moved from the east and settled themselves in a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
The words: some men, does not include any and all men that were on the earth.
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Message 8 of 36 (345361)
08-31-2006 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by kuresu
08-29-2006 2:05 PM


Re: Was there ever a J sound in the Hebrew?
Kuresu,
Thank you for the encouragements.
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Eternal words - For the sake of my Name I did what keeps it from being polluted by the abominations, faiths and beliefs of the earth. I AM [JEHAVEH] who makes known the KADHISH [HOLINESS] of my Name.
Once it is said I AM who makes known my Name, the understanding is given that it is not up to the beasts [spiritually imposed doctrines] from what has been called religion and theology to make known the pronunciation of the Name that remains eternally.
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If one understands that the Eternal and Celestial actually did that, then it is reasonable to attest that the correct pronunciation of the Ancient Hebrew Tetragram has been sealed as a hidden treasure in a field, and kept from being polluted by today’s scribes and everything that is called religion and beasts [spiritual doctrinal powers] upon the earth.
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And if the consonant sounds of the pronunciation JEHAVEH had to remain sanctified/separated, as a hidden treasure in a field,
from being polluted by today's scribes,
Isn’t it too coincidental that from all the principal languages the Modern Hebrew is the only one that does not pronounce the consonant sound of a J?
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Message 19 of 36 (346064)
09-02-2006 3:02 PM


MIX UP/confound: To cause disorder in the original order

  
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Message 20 of 36 (346066)
09-02-2006 3:22 PM
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09-01-2006 4:12 PM


MIX UP/confound: To cause disorder in the original order
Arachnophilia,
There was a consonant phoneme Jeud in the Ancient Hebrew, for the phonemes from all principal languages were a consequence from the mixing of the sounds that already existed in the first and perfect Hebrew Language.
It’s been a complete Language, not created by man to Adam’s descendents, but originated from JEHAVEH Who first spoke the phonemes of a perfect Hebrew Language in the Garden of Eden, even before it was mixed up. To confound the Language does not mean to cause the phonemes to disappear, but to cause disorder in the original order of the sounds. The consonant phonemes that resulted from the confounding of the first Language did not proceed from nothing, but derived from the mixing of the consonant sounds of the same Ancient Hebrew Language.
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1st. - Is there proof that to mix up or to confound the Language does not mean to cause disorder in the original order of the phonemes?
2nd. - Is there evidence that the major part of the principal languages which derived from the mixing of a first and complete Ancient Hebrew Language did not abide any phoneme similar to the J sound as it is spoken in either French, Italian or English?
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Message 22 of 36 (346237)
09-03-2006 1:42 PM


To cause disorder in the original order
It is said in the Scriptures that the name of the LAMB will be called Marvelous, Amazing, and Bearer of Eternity. An Amazing and Marvelous name is the one that abides the FULLNESS, the COMPLETENESS and not just vocalic sounds from what the scribes call semi-vowel phonemes.
As it was quoted before,
For the sake of my Name I did what keeps it from being polluted by the abominations/faiths/beliefs of the earth. I AM [JEHAVEH] who makes known the KADHISH [HOLINESS] of my Name.
Once it is said ”I AM who makes known my Name’, the understanding is given that it is not up to theology and today’s scribes to make known the pronunciation of the Name that remains eternally.
If one understands that the Eternal and Celestial has separated, sealed and kept the original pronunciation of the Ancient Hebrew Tetragram from being polluted by religion and today’s scribes,
soon it can be viewed that the stubborness from the intention of sanctifying the vocalic Y sound from the Modern Hebrew as if it were eternal, only helps to keep the treasure even more hidden.
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Message 25 of 36 (426709)
10-08-2007 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by kuresu
08-29-2006 2:05 PM


Is that a model-prayer, or is that an Instruction to not call in vain?
kuresu writes:
..ancient languages are different from their modern counterparts.
Hi kuresu,
besides the above reason, there is also the fact that the abomination--belief that causes desolation would have to be viewed standing where it ought not, in a holy place--or true scripture, like a proof that not only a J sound would have to be omitted for a time, but the eternal instructions too.
Matthew Paraphrased --Instruction to not call upon the eternal name in vain
In the time that you call on, the calling shall not be in the likeness of what is done by religion and beliefs of the earth, for they love to perform model-prayers standing in the houses and on the street corners to be seen by people.
I assure you: They've got the --type of-- hearers they were seeking for.
In the time that you call upon, go into your private places, shut the gates --of the property, farm or hill--, and call upon Jehaveh secretly, and Jehaveh who sees you in secret will hear you.
For, when you call upon Jehaveh, you shall not do it according to a sameness of style nor model-prayers like the religious ones,
since they believe they'll be heard for the sameness of words and prayers.
You shall not do anything like them,
because Jehaveh knows your thoughts and what you need before you ask.
This way --by doing this-- you shall call upon directly --for the presence of-- Jehaveh that shines in heaven, for this reason:
lef - In order for the pronunciation of the eternal name to be regarded in a separate way --in holiness-,
Bet - and the kingdom of heaven comes to you --literally--.
Gmel - Because --by calling upon to speak before the presence of Jehaveh that shines in heaven--, you become the purpose of Jehaveh on earth as it is in heaven,
Dálet - so that your bread is not like the daily one, but the one that is given immediatelly,
H - for --in virtue of this-- you know that your debts have been forgiven, in the same manner that you, being present, forgive your debtors;
Vav - in doing so you are kept from being tempted to work up an abomination --belief or credere--,
Záyin - for not one evil --or spiritual darkness-- can come to you, --in virtue of the excellent presence of Jehaveh's Light-- for all heaven and kingdom and power belongs to Jehaveh in the continuous times and in the times that remain eternally.
Amen = Aemonáh - which means: that the text transcription was done with Emunah - Transcribed with fidelitate--fidelity.
When it comes to adulterated versions of new testament, The Message puts to light what the primary adulterated versions have been keeping in the obscure, because The Message does place the dragon --that was in Pergamus-- into dry land, and reveals how dualist the adulterated primary version, from the Romanesque Mother prostitute church, was.
...in heaven,
1 - Reveal who you are.
2 - Set the world right;
3 - Do what's best” as above, so below.
4 - Keep us alive with three square meals.
5 - Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
6 - Keep us safe from ourselves and the [Dragon].
7 - You're in charge! You can do anything you want! You're ablaze in beauty! Yes. Yes. Yes.
Since the dragon or old-style serpent was made to be a beast of the field and does not have authority over itself, then it makes no sense to refer to the dragon or beast or any creature as if there would be one, other than YHWH, that would have power or command over the evil.
Dualism or dualist doctrine is the belief that there would be two in command, one over the good and another over the evil.
According to the Law and the Testimony, the beasts are sent wherever the Superior Being sends them to go and perform their function, and not one type of beast, --whether a living creature or having unclean spirit that make signs and wonders as the scarlet beast does--, can have authority over itself.
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Message 30 of 36 (530450)
10-13-2009 3:09 PM


Evidence of a Jewd sound in Ancient Hebrew Language
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Evidence of a J sound in Ancient Hebrew Language consists in the fact that to mix the sound of the phonemes doesn’t mean to exterminate them; therefore, to confound the Language does not mean causing the sounds to disappear, but causing a change in the original order of the phonemes, altering the form that they are expressed. For this reason it has been proved the existence of a consonant J sound in the first and perfect Hebrew Language spoken by the descendence of Adam and Eva (Eve):
Because when seeing that the sounds or phonemes of the new Languages did not derive from nothing but from a unique Language, then one ascertains that the consonant J sound that had always been present in the new Languages also did not derive from nothing but was a part of a row of sounds: the same volume of consonant phonemes that were mixed from the consonant sounds of a unique Language, first and perfect Hebrew Language.
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Message 32 of 36 (530731)
10-14-2009 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by bluescat48
10-13-2009 3:58 PM


Re: Evidence of a Jewd sound in Ancient Hebrew Language
quote:
which "J" sound?
Similar to the German - consenental "i"
Similar to The English "dzh"
Similar to the French "zh"
or something else all together?
The J sound of all principal languages are valid as evidence of the existence of a J sound in Ancient Hebrew Language, since they were undirectly originated from one first and perfect Hebrew Language.
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Message 34 of 36 (530961)
10-15-2009 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by bluescat48
10-14-2009 6:43 PM


Re: Evidence of a Jewd sound in Ancient Hebrew Language
quote:
is this what was the Hebrew pronunciation of say the proper name 'Judah?'
There are two clues pointing out to the same direction, that the French J sound is the one spoken in Ancient Hebrew Language,
1st -- The Written Form -- The pronoun JE (I) in the Word JE'HAVEH (I AM) in Ancient Hebrew Language, has a written form identical to the pronoun 'I' in French.
2nd -- If Ancient Hebrew spoke a J sound other than ZH, then the equivalent of Jewd in Modern Hebrew, that being Youd, would not be pronounced as an unstressed SH
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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 35 of 36 (532312)
10-22-2009 4:24 PM


Not all man had his first language mixed
In the days that the whole earth spoke one Language and the same words, some men moved from the east and settled themselves in a plain in the land of Shinar. — In the time the word says: some men, does not include all men that were on the earth; a part of the descendence of Adam remained speaking the original Hebrew Language, because a gathering of people that were separate to I AM did not partake with those that migrated from the east and built a tower.
When transliterating a Hebrew name into English Language must one choose consonant letters that give total priority to the audible part and the exact sound of the original name?
Yes. There is no authenticity at all if a transliteration from Hebrew into English is based in the consonant letters of ancient Greek pronunciation or any other language’s pronunciation. J—SHUA (JEHAVH’—SHUAI AM IS THE SALVATION) is a transliteration only proper for the countries where a J sound isn’t written with another letter, therefore the legitimate transliteration of the eternal name to Spanish speaking people is YOSHUA (YEHAVH’—SHUA) since Y is the Spanish letter equivalent to a J sound in English.
The belief that a transliteration would have to remain untouchable and unchangeable from one language to another was embedded in the spiritual ordinances that were left to Archbishops of early Catholicism, through a mastercopy of new testament that imposed upon the nations the same version jesus--A modern form from the ancient Roman word IESVS registered for many centuries on the walls of the Basilica of St. PetrusState of Vatican).
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