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Topic: Holistic Doctors, and medicine
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 46 of 304 (417316)
08-20-2007 8:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 36 by nator
08-17-2007 7:05 PM
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Re: No choice of Doctors
nator, I am sorry but this:
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Then also like I said, what you are telling me sounds good, because I would like to see everyone have health care coverage. We live in an era where it is available, why not take strides to make it available to everyone.
Does not sound like I am objecting anything. It should be obvious to you, that any plan is not perfect, and could use objections to make it good. All you are doing is attacking me.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 47 of 304 (417317)
08-20-2007 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
08-17-2007 10:41 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Thanks Buz, I already do most of the stuff you suggested. My sinus problems started when I was young. I think I am allergic to dogs, and always had one. When I finally got rid of my dog, 90% of sinus troubles stopped. It was then I noticed that being around (certain) dogs, I would get allergic reactions. Also, I work in some pretty bad environments, and it is unavoidable breathing in certain amounts of dust, and fumes from soldering, and insulation from attics, etc. I do my best and wear dust masks. I am not so sure that what I got is purely an allergic reaction, as I have never had anything this bad before. It is 30 times worse than any allergic reaction I've ever had. Last week, as if by magic, it started clearing up, but I still have it, and my head still feels funny, but at least I am starting to feel myself again. I am not taking any of the doctor prescribed medicines, but I am taking a whole bunch of expensive herbs. Did it start to clear up from the herbs, or did it start getting better on its own, or was it allergies, and now the season is over? I don't know. I am going to see an allergist this week. I am definately going to check out sinol, though. Thanks.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 48 of 304 (417318)
08-20-2007 9:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by nator
08-18-2007 6:28 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
[qs] How does a body "heal itself" from cystic fibrosis, or lupus, or epilepsy, or Huntington's disease, or hemophelia, Tay-Sachs disease? Without modern medicine, people with these diseases would just suffer and die. This statement is just untrue. You, or any study has no way of proving that peoples bodies cannot heal themselves. There could also be many people who just don't get those diseases, because they take care, and diet, and exercise. And before you start arguing with me about it, I am not saying that there is no place for modern medicine, and I happen to partially agree with the links you provided me in the beginning of this thread.
Or, perhaps you just conveniently forget that the people who make Sinol are in business in order to make as much profit as possible? anyone who has a cure for anything, has a right to market it. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
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Buzsaw
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Message 49 of 304 (417337)
08-20-2007 10:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 44 by nator
08-18-2007 6:28 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
schraf writes: Not all medical problems can be fixed by the body "healing itself", buz. Many can't, in fact. Before western medicine, people often died at quite young ages because they would die of things like infections from cuts or influenza or complications from pregnancy and childbirth or scarlet fever or polio or the mumps or pneumonia. How does a body "heal itself" from cystic fibrosis, or lupus, or epilepsy, or Huntington's disease, or hemophelia, Tay-Sachs disease? Without modern medicine, people with these diseases would just suffer and die. I mean, diet and exercise can't prevent or cure or have much, if any, effect upon a lot of medical problems. And, once someone has a problem, even if diet and exercise might have prevented it, changing habits after the problem developed is sometimes too little, too late. 1. All medical problems can be helped via alternative healthcare, wholistic diet regimes and exercise to some degree. Many chronic diseases have in fact been healed via alternative healthcare, wholistic diet regimes and exercise alone after the conventional MDs and drugs have failed. 2. Western medicine has kept people living longer due to the technology in treating injuries, transplants, transfusions et al, but we're sicker with more cancer, heart ailments/attacks, obesity, mental illnesses, drug addiction, pharma side effects, diabetes, elderly facilities, hospitals, et al. These all keep us all alive including the elderly but a significant number of those living who would otherwise be dead are existing with a very poor quality of life. 3. The wholistic alternative technology, knowledge and science has also significantly affected longevity in the last 50 years, much of which is never reported. Many (likely including myself) are alive because of this and this alone. Many who the MDs have labeled terminal have restorted to alternatives to live longer lives. So a number of factors effect our longevity. 4. Diseases like cystic fibrosis, lupus, epilepsy, Huntington's, hemophelia, et al can all be helped to some degree by proper nutrition and wholistic healtcare, some to a significant degree. 5. The nice thing is that rarely are there any bad side effects to the wholistic nutritional and alternative approach. Side effects are nearly always good for the body. Not so with the conventional pharmaceutical medical practices.
schraf writes: Personal experience is meaningless, buz, and I can read. I can read reality-based information, rather rely on "buz's little insular fantasy-world". That reality-based information is telling me that sometimes, bodies get jacked up so badly that the damage just can't be repaired. At least, not fully. Hell, I can look at both of my parents for examples of that. Your link isn't about how effective the product is, buz. It's all about the company's marketing strategy and how bright the future is for the sales. The link is a press release from the advertizing agency that handles the marketing campaign of Sinol, and it is a large account, selling in 15,000 mass market stores. If you object to "enriching fat-cat" big-business, then you probably shouldn't buy Sinol, either. 1. Personal experience is not meaningless, unless you question my truthfulness. There's quite a lot on google on Sinol. I suggest that you do your homework before making judgement on something you have had no personal experience with. 2. I made no claims that alternatives always totally repairs as you seem to continuously imply. My position is that they can give the body what it needs to begin repairing to some degree without bad side effects and often for lasting cure, depending on many factors including advancement of the ailment, how willing the sick are to adhere to the regime, et al. Usually alternatives requires discipline in effecting change needed to make it effective. Finally as to your rant on Sinol, nearly all products, health care practitioners and business concerns related to health are in it to make a profit and propagate the business. Your rant about Sinol is meaningless yada until you can show evidence that it is quakery.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Message 50 of 304 (417343)
08-20-2007 11:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
08-20-2007 10:31 AM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Many chronic diseases have in fact been healed via alternative healthcare, wholistic diet regimes and exercise alone after the conventional MDs and drugs have failed. I doubt it. Link?
Diseases like cystic fibrosis, lupus, epilepsy, Huntington's, hemophelia, et al can all be helped to some degree by proper nutrition and wholistic healtcare, some to a significant degree. Link? I found no research to support this.
personal experience is not meaningless, unless you question my truthfulness. From a scientific standpoint, personal experience is meaningless. Anecdotal information is notoriously unreliable.
Your rant about Sinol is meaningless yada until you can show evidence that it is quakery. Well, I don't know about Quakers and Sinol, but I do know how to google. Sinol contains capsaicin. Google "capsaicin" and "headache" ...
It has been suggested that treatment of cluster headache (CH) patients with topical capsaicin may desensitize sensory neurons by depleting the nerve terminals of substance P. We attempted to determine whether capsaicin is effective in aborting CH attacks. Patients in acute cluster were randomized to receive either capsaicin or placebo in the ipsilateral nostril for 7 days. Patients recorded the severity of each headache for 15 days. Headaches on days 8-15 of the study were significantly less severe in the capsaicin group vs the placebo group. There was also a significant decrease in headache severity in the capsaicin group on days 8-15 compared to days 1-7, but not in the placebo group. Episodic CH patients appeared to benefit more than chronic CH patients. These results indicate that intranasal capsaicin may provide a new therapeutic option for the treatment of this disease. A double-blind placebo-controlled trial of intranasal capsaicin for cluster headache, Cephalalgia 13 (2), 114-116. According to wiki, cluster headaches are defined as:
Cluster headache sufferers typically experience very severe headaches of a piercing quality near one eye or temple that last for fifteen minutes to three hours with some lasting days. The headaches are typically unilateral and rarely change sides. Triggers for cluster headaches include:
Ingestion of alcohol is recognized as a common trigger of cluster headaches when a person is in cycle or susceptible. Exposure to hydrocarbons (petroleum solvents, perfume) is also recognized as a trigger for cluster headaches. Some patients have a decreased tolerance to heat, and becoming overheated may act as a trigger. Napping causes a headache for some sufferers. Treatments for cluster headaches include:
Some have reported partial relief from narcotic pain killers. Percocet has had widespread success amongst some cluster headache patients, especially males. Anecdotal evidence indicates that cluster headaches can be so excruciating that even morphine does little to ease the pain. However, some newer medications like fentanyl (and Percocet) have shown promise in early studies and use. Medications to treat cluster headaches are classified as either abortives or prophylactics. In addition, short-term transitional medications (such as steroids) may be used while prophylactic treatment is instituted and adjusted. With abortive treatments often only decreasing the duration of the headache and preventing it from reaching its peak rather than eliminating it entirely, preventive treatment is always indicated for cluster headaches, to be started at the first sign of a new cluster cycle. Sinusitis also produces headaches. There's no research on capsaicin and sinusitis. Sinus polyps, yes. Sinusitis, no.
Finally as to your rant on Sinol, nearly all products, health care practitioners and business concerns related to health are in it to make a profit and propagate the business. Nator's only point was that your wholesale dismissal of Big Pharma was short-sighted, to say the least. Sinol is Big Pharma.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Hi Mobiogirl. Thanks for coming on. I had a response which I was reviewing and accidently hit the wrong key and lost it so I'll beginagain. Likely I'll not be able to address a lot now but will do what I can and hopefully get back to you.
Many chronic diseases have in fact been healed via alternative healthcare, wholistic diet regimes and exercise alone after the conventional MDs and drugs have failed. I doubt it. Link? I'll cite two for now and there are others. More accurate wording by me in the quote of me above would have been healed or helped. These links should apply to two of the first two links your message called for regarding wholistic treatment of chronic diseases. The chronic diseases covered by these specific links may not be the same as on my short list but diseases which would be equally chronic and difficult to treat which would support the claim that the wholistic approach does not treat the symptom primarily but the whole body.
’’’ Integrative medicine seeks to combine many aspects of conventional medicine with that of alternative medicine, Chinese herbal medicine, acupuncture, homeopathy, nutrition and naturopathic medicine. In cancer therapy IRC believes that rational use of all treatment modalities is possible and that the sequence with which the various modalities are employed is critical to maximize the cancer therapy. Thus, some forms of immune therapy actually sensitize the cancer cells to later chemotherapy and radiation treatment, while use of chemotherapy and radiation before immune therapy renders the immune therapy less effective. IRC is dedicated to bringing all useful therapy along in the fight against cancer. We may combine certain conventional drugs with alternative products in designing the best individualized treatment protocols for our patients. We maintain liaisons with clinic and research groups outside the United States where we may refer patients for therapy programs unavailable to us, such as Intra Arterial Therapy (IAT), or combined Intensity Modulated Radio Therapy (IMRT) and IAT. IRC maintains a dedicated licensed and certified staff with full medical credentials. http://goldberg.getwebspace.com/testimonials.html The original 50 patient letters are from a selection of testimonials you can read at the Goldberg Clinic. Or, some of them in the booklet Sixty Case Studies. Also see patient letters 2, letters 3, letters 4 and letters 5. Following conditions are addressed in the first (ABE 22) letters: rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, fall from horse ulcerative colitis chronic fatigue, hypoglycemia, hair loss, mal-absorption syndrome, cataracts, dental loss, depression, food allergies, spastic colon rheumatoid arthritis, asthma, pain, mood swings eczema, seborrhea, acne, severe blisters joint aches, muscle aches, skin disorder high blood pressure, headaches, skin outbreaks, jitteryness Crohn's disease, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal cramps rheumatoid arthritis, fatigue, joint pains injury - ruptured disc, high blood pressure, overweight, pain heavy menstrual bleeding, bad skin blemishes, skin discolorations, obesity, low back pain, carpal tunnel syndrome ankylosing spondylitis, arthritis of the spine, back pain, back inflammation psoriatic arthritis memory loss, slowness, problems walking, depression colon cancer breast cancer chronic fatigue, dysmennorhea Aspergillus fungus cavity on the lung constantly exhausted, chronic aches and pains, Candida yeast problem, "leaky gut". gastrointestinal tract and urogenital system problems high blood pressure, missed heart beats, digestive disorders, overweight, arthritic indigestion, gas, back ache, bad breath Dr. Paul Goldberg himself has recovered from severe rheumatoid arthritis and colitis via wholistic and has treated professional athletes in the NFL and NBA.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Message 52 of 304 (417399)
08-20-2007 8:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
08-20-2007 8:25 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Bad news, buz. Bad news. First link. I can't seem to find links to any research that might support their claims. Is there a link I'm missing? I don't think there is, 'cause the vibe I'm gettin' is ...
IRC maintains a dedicated licensed and certified staff with full medical credentials. ... quack quack quack. Second link. You knew I wasn't gonna buy anecdotal "evidence". Why did you even bother posting this link? I don't care if you provide a link with thousands of testimonial letters.
Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless.
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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 304 (417402)
08-20-2007 8:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
08-20-2007 9:04 AM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Hi RR. I've been praying for you as you did not post for a spell and I was concerned that you may have taken a turn for the worse. I'm relieved to see that's not the case. The herbs you take are likely doing some significant good. It would be good for you to find and consult good professional advice from a reliable integrated MD or health practitioner as some herbals are more suitable than others for chronic conditions. Do you consume any foods containing white flour or white sugar? How about milk products like cheese and pasturized milk? Also do you live in or near a city where you have large supermarkets with organic sections? Some of the cities have a very good wholistic food chain called Wild Oats. The work conditions you work under appear to be very bad for sinus related problems. Filters and simple masks help a little but are very limited as to adequate protection. It might help to go outside & do a lot of deep breathing in good fresh air when you can take breaks. You can also take probiotics before you go to work and while working. You might want to check this out by google search. They're a relative new science in alternatives. Good ones are expensive to produce and consequently to buy. Your position on the alternatives appears to have advanced some from skeptical at the beginning of the thread to more positive at this point. Hopefully you will continue to improve as you delve deeper into the science of the alternatives which an ever growing number of MDs are integrating into their practice. God bless!
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Bad news, buz. Bad news. First link. I can't seem to find links to any research that might support their claims. Is there a link I'm missing? I don't think there is, 'cause the vibe I'm gettin' is ... IRC maintains a dedicated licensed and certified staff with full medical credentials. ... quack quack quack. Second link. You knew I wasn't gonna buy anecdotal "evidence". Why did you even bother posting this link? I don't care if you provide a link with thousands of testimonial letters. Anecdotal "evidence" is meaningless. Too bad you don't require as much research evidence to justify conventional practitioner's ($$$quack, quack, quack$$$) widespread prescriptions of medicines on which warnings on the containers include side effects all the way from nausia to heart attacks to death, thousands of deaths occuring yearly from the death symptoms alone. Perhaps it would be good for you to contact Dr Goldberg and challenge him for some of the research you are looking for. Who knows? Maybe he or someone on his staff will find the time to respond.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Message 55 of 304 (417408)
08-20-2007 9:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
08-20-2007 9:13 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Too bad you don't require as much research evidence to justify conventional practitioner's Au contraire, dear buzzy. Au contraire! I research each and every medication I take or even think of taking.
side effects all the way from nausia (sic) to heart attacks to death, thousands of deaths occuring (sic) yearly from the death symptoms (sic) alone. And guess what? I'm not concerned about the side effects of the entire available pharmacopoeia. Just those I take. And guess what else? Big Pharma sucks. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna stick a needle in my tush and suck down tap water parading as a "homeopathic remedy". And guess what else? These "alternative" "medicines" of which you are so fond are not without side effects, up to and including death. And finally. I just e mailed Goldberg. We'll see if he replies.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Au contraire, dear buzzy. Au contraire!
I research each and every medication I take or even think of taking. What are the side effects of the ones you take or have taken according to the warnings? What percentage of patients do you think research each and every medication they take?
side effects all the way from nausia (sic) to heart attacks to death, thousands of deaths occuring (sic) yearly from the death symptoms (sic) alone. And guess what? I'm not concerned about the side effects of the entire available pharmacopoeia. Just those I take. And guess what else? Big Pharma sucks. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna stick a needle in my tush and suck down tap water parading as a "homeopathic remedy". And guess what else? These "alternative" "medicines" of which you are so fond are not without side effects, up to and including death. 1. How many alternative clinics can you document who administer tap water via a needle? 2. How many deaths have been confirmed to have been attributed to alternative practices and/or alternative suppliments such as herbs, vitamins, minerals, detoxification cleanses, fasting and wholesome diets, et al in the past year? Zero? One? Three or four? How many, madear?
And finally.
I just e mailed Goldberg.
We'll see if he replies. Good, but consider this: How do you research an entire wholistic regime which involves everything from minimal conventional methodology integration to diet, exercise, herbals, vitamins, sunlight, deep breathing, medical examinations, message, chiropractice, juicing, et al? Likely if you go into Dr Goldberg's clinic or Dr Whitaker's largest alternative facility in the US, Whitaker's Wellness Clinic in CA, you will get thoroughly examined, and treatment will be comprehensive including a number of regime practices including diet recommendations, suppliments et al.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: 06-06-2007
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Message 57 of 304 (417421)
08-20-2007 11:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by Buzsaw
08-20-2007 11:23 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
What are the side effects of the ones you take or have taken according to the warnings? None of your beeswax.
What percentage of patients do you think research each and every medication they take? Not my problem. Also not my problem? Folks who don't read the labels on household products and injure themselves as a result.
1. How many alternative clinics can you document who administer tap water via a needle? Perhaps I was unclear. Let me slow this down for you. Acupuncture uses needles. Homeopathic 'medicine" is tap water.
2. How many deaths have been confirmed to have been attributed to alternative practices and/or alternative suppliments such as herbs, vitamins, minerals, detoxification cleanses, fasting and wholesome diets, et al in the past year? 1. Kava Kava
More recently in Germany, liver damage has been reported from use of Kava Kava. As a result the Consumer Reports, May 2004 listed Kava Kava to liver damage and death. Kava has been used for some hundreds or thousands of years in the Hawaiian area and no similar results were reported in other countries. A second opinion can be found in Patrick Holford's 'Optimum Nutrition for the Mind', 2003: When taken in its original form, the root contains both kavalactones and gluthathione. When only the extract with pure kavalactones is used, the extract will will add to the burden of the enzyme liver detoxification system, especially when alcohol or prescription drugs are added. Herbalists only recommend using the root in its natural state.
2. Aristolochic acid
Aristolochi acid is known to cause cancer, kidney failure and death. It is banned in 10 countries according to Time, 'A to Z Health Guide', 2005.
3. Comfrey, Chaparral, Germander
These herbs have been used without problems for many years by herbalists but are now linked to irreversible liver damage.
4. Ephedra
Once again the original form of the herb as Desert tea in the States or Ma huang in China has been used for hundreds or thousands of years. Ephedra is now banned in the States because it has been linked to 155 deaths. Misuse of natural remedies does not help. For example, Digitalis an extract of the herb Foxglove is used in the treatment of heart disease but an overdose or misuse may also lead to death. The same can be said about coffee, sugar and a fast variety of natural remedies and food items. Page Removed I will do further research to track down statistics for this year, just in case 155 deaths isn't enough for you.
Good, but consider this: How do you research an entire wholistic regime which involves everything from minimal conventional methodology integration to diet, exercise, herbals, vitamins, sunlight, deep breathing, medical examinations, message, chiropractice, juicing, et al? I don't intend to investigate all the woo meisters. There are plenty of sites that do that for me. JREF - HomeHome Page | Quackwatch Just to name two. However, I would love to fisk Goldberg sideways. So rest assured, should he reply, I will research the bejeezus outta him. Just as Percy has done for http://www.dynamicgreens.com.
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 58 of 304 (417424)
08-21-2007 12:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
08-20-2007 9:04 AM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
Get a dog that doesn't shed. Might I suggest a Havannese?
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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DrJones*
Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: 08-19-2004 Member Rating: 6.9
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Message 59 of 304 (417426)
08-21-2007 12:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 56 by Buzsaw
08-20-2007 11:23 PM
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Re: Wholistic The Only Safe And Effective Way
2. How many deaths have been confirmed to have been attributed to alternative practices and/or alternative suppliments such as herbs, vitamins, minerals, detoxification cleanses, fasting and wholesome diets, et al in the past year? Zero? One? Three or four? How many, madear?
Which laws govern the reporting of side effects and/or deaths in the alternative medicine industry? As an aside: While I'm not a female myself, I find your addressing (particularly with nator) of the female posters of this board as "my dear" (and variations) to be extremely patronizing and chauvinistic. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
Live every week like it's Shark Week! Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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anglagard
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Message 60 of 304 (417445)
08-21-2007 3:39 AM
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Wholistic Whole or Wholistic Ho?
I've been wondering. What is the Wholistic cure for the following, and why is it superior to current treatments? Anthrax Botulism Cholera Dengue Gonorrhea Hepatitis Leprosy Malaria Measles Mumps Plague Rabies Smallpox Syphilis Typhoid Yellow Fever Can these conditions be alleviated or cured by a combination of diet and exercise?
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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