Nator writes:
The thing is, logic, reason, and evidence are there, and work, no matter if you "believe in" them or not
I agree. But you can believe in Christ and observe them. Sorry to take the wind out of your
sales. Be careful what you sell, a few cleverer theists won't automatically buy.
A lot of faith is decision and I know from experience that when I became atheist, it was because of
doubt and a
defeatest attitude. I then chose to believe again - I even remember the moment.
Believers are tough. To doubt and disbelieve is to climb off the saddle when the mountain pass gets steep. To incorporate the positive requires positive action. Examples;
(I want to be a vet. I need to qualify, work hard. As opposed to the contrary, to
not be a vet, well - that equals a lack of positive effort as all you do is quit.)
(Be a cook/knitter. I'll let you fill in the rest..............................................)
But the knife in the guts was when I decided to not give up and to be, as the bible states,
an overcomer.
I was also born into the position of secular indifference as regards religion.
Science and logic don't support, "Not God" and "leave intelligence at the door". INFACT, you are saying that it is your opinion that this is the case.
But alas, it is clearly false.
Nator writes:
God helps people who make efforts to avoid using their intelligence?
Perhaps now a new pair of reading glasses are in order Shraff. You show signs of not understanding Phat's pragmatics. Allow me to expound for you; We presuppose that God exists and under that premise, he knows better, as we believe he is omniscient. That means that we don't think YOU can out-think the creator.
That's what it means.
You are defining anyone who disagrees with your opinions and believes in God as unintelligent. That is arrogant and transparent and illogical.
But know this; you have nothing but opinion that favours your own freethinking ideology of disbelief, as science and logic don't claim to support your position in the least.
You are conflating logic and science with
your ideology like your particular ideology
owns science and logic.
Completely false I am afraid. it is infacy that generally freethinking educated atheists
observe logic and science.(Ben or Modulous for example, rational logical folk).
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
I engaged in reductio ad absurdum at the request of my disfunctional compulsive contaminatrix that regurgitates anomolous fallacious recognition processes in random bouts of severe over-thought, thereby contained via the irrefutability cells in my left hemisphere. ~ mike the wiz