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Well, you've won me over. Of course women should be able to do what they wish with their bodies no matter what the consequences. Prostitution should be legalized and if minors want to be prostitutes that's ok too. Their parents shouldn't have any say on that. It's their body. Who are we to tell them what to do with it?
Er, how is this an answer to what I wrote?
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From a certain point of view, women and men who have sex run the risk of creating a child, and they shouldn't kill someone to get out of the responsibility that results from running that risk.
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So that means that someone who doesn't want a child shouldn't have sex at all, and a woman should certainly wear a chastity belt at all times in case of rape, since there isn't a birth control method in the world that prevents contraception 100%, including sterilization.
No married people who don't want any children should ever have intercourse. Not even once, not even if they are both sterilized.
All married people who don't want any more children should never have intercourse ever again, not even if they are both sterilized.
...is simply the logical consequence of your statement above.
No contraceptive method except complete abstention is 100% sure to prevent pregnancy.
If abortion becomes illegal, complete abstention from intercourse is the only for-sure method anyone can use to avoid pregnancy, including married couples who never want to get pregnant, or who have had children and don't want any more.
If you don't like that outcome of your position, I am certainly not to blame.
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Since you seem to be putting forth the idea that the restriction of reproductive rights has led to subjugation of women in these countries, perhaps you could detail the causal links for we stupid people in the peanut gallery.
It isn't a linear thing. Controlling what happens inside women's fertility has long been a big part of patriarchy, particularly the religious kind, and is a natural offshoot of what women have generally been seen as in such cultures. Historically, women were little more than breeding stock and servants; property, chattel, the spoils of war, etc. That sort of treatment of women is in evidence all throughout the Bible and the Koran.
And, surprise surprise, it is generally in countries in which women do not have access to abortion, they don't have access to contraception, either. In these cultures, women are considered to be nothing without a man, either a father, brother, or husband. Their importance is a function of whatever male she is associated with and how many sons she can produce. This general attitude has long been a part of religious patriarchy.
Is this really the first you are hearing of this?
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It is terribly complacent and naieve of you to think that we can't lose our society.
Oh please. Abortion makes society better. You not being legitimized by a religious government to be able to dictate what happens inside my uterus makes society better. Freedom of choice makes society better. Women's reproductive rights and control over her own body are
directly linked to women having political and social power. As they gain the former, they gain the latter.
And as they lose the former, the lose the latter.
If you don't think so, then why don't you send all of your female relatives over to Iran, or Laos, or Haiti or Oman and all the other countries which ban abortion and see how much they like being a woman there.
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I mean, didn't everyone think that there was no way that we in the US would openly support pornography on television? We have lost that fight, however and lots of others, thanks to the Liberals.
Don't like what's on TV? Turn it off.
Nobody's forcing you to watch anything, or even have a TV in your house.
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It isn't a matter of "making abortion legal on day and degrading all the women the next".
Huh? How does having an abortion degrade women??
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It is the slow erosion of our decency and civility, including respect for human life, that we allow, step by step, out of our own lust. Lust for money, lust for sex, lust for other peoples things.
Oh, so the downfall of society is the fault of abortion rights?
Funny, I seem to recall that the vast majority of the countries on that map I linked to that were the most prosperous, peaceful, had the best gender equity and were the nicest to live in were also the ones that had legalized abortion. The ones which banned all abortion or severely restricted it tended to have a lot of war, were run by dictatorships, often radical religious ones, and in many of them women have to wear burkhas and can't walk by themselves in public, let alone drive a car or own property or be educated.
So please, Linear, try to tell me again how letting the religious moralists constantly look up my skirt to make sure I haven't had an abortion is going to make our society better, hmmm?
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That lust, if we allow ourselves to give in to it, will enable indecency and irresponsibility to gain more and more power in our country.
Yes, you religious people do hate anything that carries the barest hint of pleasure, particularly if it might be sexual.
Of course, so many of your male leaders end up having meth-fueled gay sex with prostitutes, or offering to blow undercover police officers in park restrooms that I just wonder at your motivations.
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