The Problem with Legalized Abortion

nator:

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Their "key objection" is that they don't believe women are capable of making medical, moral, and practical decisions about what is best for her own body and her family.

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let me give you an example.
Most believe women should be eligible for abortion, but only if they are raped. Well just like all the insane feminist in this country, we gave into what they wanted. Woman want equal salaries as men? no problem. Women want abortion made legal? well ok but only if you were raped. Well its my body and I can do what i want. Tell me if you know this. God Created Man 1st, God took a rib from man and created a woman. Man was created 1st, Woman was created 2nd.

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And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

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Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

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In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

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Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.[Genesis 3:17/18/19/23]

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We work the land, we have jobs, we are stressed out, we are Men and this is our burden to carry, not women!
Woman can't make the same decisions and can't obtain the same role as a man, because if they do it'll be 2x more stressful on the woman. why? because of her own selfish ignorance lead her to do so.
I woman is not physically, nor mentally equal to that of a man.
Eve took and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
She gave some to her husband. I'm sorry but I'd rather have a man make the decision, not the woman. Women are not equal to men, and are not as wise as men are.

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"and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."[Genesis 3:16]

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molbiogirl:

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Abortion is the least of your worries, pal.

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"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;"[Genesis 3:16]

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The women who indeed have abortions, just doubled their suffering.
many women have to take anti-depressants, because if they don't they commit suicide. I believe if someone gets a abortion, then their sorrow shall be doubled. and I also believe

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everyone gets what they deserve

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so don't try and think woman can out smart God, cause God WILL greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. btw, women commit suicide and get overly dramatic after they get the abortion, why? maybe they don't think before they do something, which might effect them emotionally and maybe physically. those who lie about being a victim of rape and get a abortion, I pray them to repent and may God have mercy on their soul.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

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whether twin A which is not needing anything from twin B (who relies wholly on A), can have B removed and so killed?

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Then A is dominating over B, therefor obtaining A's title and right to live.

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Do you think that would be right?

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No.Silent-H, can you answer this please?If a person has a job and a well balanced life style[food,shelter,money,clothes, and etc.], but they don't need anything from a homeless individual(who relies wholly on people to give him money) can they have this homeless individual removed and simply kill the individual, for he holds no value and has nothing to offer them?What are your thoughts about a person who says you have nothing I need, therefor I shall remove you, by killing you in cold blood, because you hold no value and have nothing I need. what are your thoughts toward this person? [even though they could careless, since you cant offer anything they might need and therefor consider you a waste of life.]
Thats what I think they would do and how their behavior would be.sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : 1 word misspelled. GIVE ME A BREAK, GIVE ME A BREAK, GIVE ME A BREAK OF THAT KIT KAT BAR!

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

Ringo:

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How does the woman's level of distress make abortion cease to be murder?

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I would say the woman that has been raped, is at the maximum level of distress and should be allowed to have a abortion. But if a woman is not raped and has had unprotected sex with a man, but if there was no forceful sexual activity, she'll have a lower distress level , then that of a woman who has been raped.I consider the 14yr[if she is pregnant]she should not have a abortion, for 2 reasons:
1. She was not raped and has a low or mild level of distress[nothing major]
2. Also I've been told that women mature faster then men, you should be mature enough to engage in sexual-intercourse, so if this 14yr old thinks she's mature enough to commit such an act such as this[because she wasn't raped] she should be mature enough to deal with it.btw where are the parents when this 14yr female teenager decides to engage in sexual-intercourse?I would consider the parents eligible to take care of the 14yr olds baby, which should be a reminder to them that they are responsible for the what their daughter does, because the law even says the parents will be held responsible for what their kid's do and what actions they might commit/engage, But not every parent is willing to take care of their daughters child, nor would the government want to take care of the child[who could blame em? lol not I], since the parents seem to be irresponsible, they can't even be responsible for the child they have now!Is abortion legalized, because there are so many parents, who are not and should not be responsible enough to even have a child, nor have unprotected sex to begin with?I think that the 14yr old girl should have to and yet I do not care if she likes it or not, she will give birth to that baby and if those parent aren't responsible, nor fit to take care of their own child, the girl and her baby should be put in a orphanage, with people who are actually responsible enough and fit to handle and take care of the girl and her baby.p.s- also if not some orphanage, put her and her baby in the hands of the CCS.sincerely yours, Amen.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

If the mothers life is at stake and it looks like the fetus will die as well, then she should be eligible for abortion, since it poses a threat to her life. In this case, it would be fine to have the abortion, because I believe if the fetus is going to die anyway, we should not allow the mother to die along with it[unless she wants to].sincerely yours, Amen

Someone who studies Human behavior and can ID wither or not an individual
is eligible for abortion. They will Judge the women on their Behavior,personality,and emotional status. I myself am studying Human Behavior and how the human mind works. ever heard of the BSU? we don't need someone from the BSU but someone that knows how to ID wither or not a womans Behavior,personality,and emotional status, makes her distressed enough and therefor eligible for abortion. Yes, but did they have protection during the sexual act? don't scientist consider condoms 99.9% protection from STD? not to mention they have that little bubble where the male sperm is disposed, therefor no pregnancy should take place. yes scientist have tried to prevent woman from getting pregnant after sexual inter-course, but I guess some people suffer from their own stupidity huh?Birth control isn't the only thing that woman can use to prevent them from getting pregnant, it just so happens they don't think clearly. Well if scientist are the the ones who say women mature faster then men, well for them to have sex[even unprotected sex] they should be mature enough to suffer the consequence. Sex is performed by 2 mature adults. the 14yr old hasn't reached adult hood and has already experienced sex. well thats not our fault. thats not the fetuses fault. it's her fault. I was told when you are fully mature you are eligible to experience and engage in sexual acts with a woman. So if a 14yr old engages in something she isn't ready for, she should suffer the consequences for her actions or you can spoil her[like some parents do to their daughters] it is wrong for some to be rewarded for what they did was wrong, therefor their parents don't set a good example for their child. oh I'm sorry, do you want me to show sympathy towards young girls who will be disciplined for the wrongful actions they themselves committed? No Thank you, I will not even shed a tear for them. What a cheap shot. go ask jar to enter this debate, with him and his speech about the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Shall I include Evolution in this debate? I could careless if you got beef with Christians, but I don't know what makes you think that Christians have something to do with this OP. I didn't know you were a woman. I thought you were a man.sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : Because I can.Edited by Amen., : none.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

If you think that its possible that a woman can be able to show no sign of extreme distress after being raped, I kid you not, you would have to be crazy or mentally ill to think such rubbish. Have you ever interviewed any serial rapist victims? have you been a Victim of rape? What is your source? where did you get such rubbish?
If this is based on your opinion, it wont surprise me 1 bit. I have a source and He has interviewed Victims of Rape and their offenders, He writes non-fictional true crime books. Here is my source:
No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.amazon.com/Men-Who-Rape-Psychology-Offender/dp/0306402688
the last chapter he writes about the Victims and their physical and mental state after they've been raped. Click on the link I've provided for you. I'm not making Blanket Assumptions. I'm showing you my source, now if you don't show me your source, I'm going to assume you have nothing to back up your so called "facts" or whatever the hell you call it.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

http://www.amazon.com/...e-Psychology-Offender/dp/0306402688
DeviantCrimes.com is for sale | HugeDomains yo want logic? you want reason? ok

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Serial rape is defined in the Crime Classification Manual (1992) as, " . three or more separate events, with an emotional cooling off period [between offenses] . " (p. 12). Rape is often believed to be a purely sexually motivated crime, where the offender's only objective is sexual gratification. However, this does not seem to be the case, as rape is more often motivated by the offender's need to displace anger toward, or exert power over the victim.

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heres some downloads for you and nator.
DeviantCrimes.com is for sale | HugeDomains
Page Not Found - HolySmoke!about victimology:
HugeDomains.comAll these links are copy and pasted from my source, therefor since I'm showing you my source will you be so kind to show me yours?sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : none

i dont know who said this to you taz but you replied with so I decided to show you that I indeed was never showing emotion or being emotional when posting in this OP, nor was did my messages come entirely from religious conviction. sure I might have added a couple sentences at the beginning, but guess what? my posts aren't entirely to explain the religious view, but also what you call "human reason".
My posts indeed have some reasons why I believe and consider that there is a Problem with Legalized Abortion.My argument with nator, which I think he's trying to say that some women that arent victims of rape may have a higher level of Distress ,then that of women who have been raped. I simply suggested in my other posts and answered Ringo's Question: I replied to it: nator replies: nator said: So I replied with my source...
then I see your post replying to someone who says they didn't see your warning on Amen. this is your reply: just like nator I'm getting a strange feeling you both think I have no source and just go on and make blanket assumptions. I replied to you both, with my source and why I am not making blanket assumption or using my messages based entirely on emotion or religious conviction.You think I'm not using logic and human reason? I'm supplying you with my source and if you don't want to look at it, I suggest you to stop making excuses on ignoring my posts, just because you assume I'm doing it entirely out of religious conviction or emotion.Also I suggest nator that if you can't back up your theory on why I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the distress level between that of a rape victim and that of a non rape victim, you should also back off, that is until you finally get something worth backing up that theory of yours.p.s- By the way nator, those links and downloads are just 10% of my source, so if you are not satisfied, just tell me and I'll reply with all the links and downloads that support my position on the case of wither or not a rape victim is more distressed then that of a non rape victim.sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : none

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

well idk if ringo and nator are being emotive in our argument, but I'm certainly not emotive on a forum, and well thats just plain stupid [no offense to anyone on this forum who does such a thing]but as you said, I wont mind you, therefor continue on with my conversation with nator and ringo.sincerely yours, Amen.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

If they are taught and learn from a professional on Victimology Behavior, then yes they will. What is your definition of rape? She shouldn't be prevented to get the abortion, because she will be so distressed, she might have a miscarriage or worse, she might consider suicide to be 1 of her solutions. YES! I'm simply saying that if a 14yr old girl thinks she's mature enough to have sex, she should be mature enough to suffer the damn consequences! if your mature enough to engage in sex, your mature enough to give birth. like I said before, if the carriers life is threatened but the fetus will die anyway, then it is ok for the carrier to get the abortion. Maybe I should be more clear. SEX SHOULD ONLY BE PERFORMED BY 2 MATURE ADULTS. with everything action, there is a consequence Yes thats right I am actually compassionate about this subject, since alot of the time all abortion does is give people an excuse. scorn? I wouldn't leave these girls all alone, I'd help them along the way, if I had to take care of them or anything I wouldn't mind, but 1 thing I wont help them do is get a abortion. I could careless what the fuck say. Many Christians teach their children not to have sex before marriage.
and yes they are raised and told that sex is bad and filthy if they have sex before marriage. why are they taught this? because Christians believe in something called "sin". I thought nator was a guys name. sorry. to be royally pissed off is also a sign of distress! did you know that?! well no way! ya think? woman individuals that like to experience different things and also respond differently to some their experiences. I was asking you 4 simple questions.. please answer with a yes or no. thank you. The distressed 1 should be able to get a abortion, since she most likely have a miscarriage or commit suicide. The other seems to be fine, though she is very angry, but their seems to be no threat towards her own life. I wouldn't consider her to be a woman that would take her own life or have a miscarriage. but there is a chance she might damage the fetus anyway, she would probably be so angry she might drink alot or worse then that, she'll be a heavy smoker, so ya either way that baby=dead or probably could have really serious health issues when she gives birth to it. so yes both women should be able to get a abortion.sincerely yours, Amen.Edited by Amen., : noyb

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

Nator, I'm done with your bullshit. I've asked you 4 questions, yet you seem not to answer them, therefor why should I answer yours... I shall not answer your questions, for you have not answered my simple 4 questions. This is a debate. The last time I checked.. A debate doesn't have only 1 person asking questions and only 1 person answers them. I cant benefit and understand what you are thinking or anything about this discussion, because its pretty much obvious to me, that your the only 1 who wants to benefit from our debate... I have questions that need answers, yet you can't even answer the simple 4 questions, which I only asked for a yes or no. I'm done with your bullshit, if you actually decide you really want to have a "REAL DEBATE" or "REAL DISCUSSION" then just send me a PM, which I'll decide wither or not your actually worth my time. We had a good discussion going, but it seems your going off track, therefor only wanting your questions to be answered. sorry woman, thats not how I roll.sincerely your, Amen.

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"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]

Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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"Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"
[Matthew 27:46]"He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride."
[JOB 41:34]"You feel the last bit of breath leaving their body. You're looking into their eyes. A person in that situation is God!" -Ted Bundy