The Problem with Legalized Abortion

Well, we do grant a birth certificate at birth - because we recognize the baby as a person at birth.I have said several times that anti-abortionists - if they were honest - would be pressing for CHILD-SIZED (did you catch it that time?) rights at conception instead of birth. They would be pressing for THE RIGHTS THAT A NEWBORN HAS (did you catch it that time?) from conception instead of from birth.Since they aren't doing that - and in this thread they've done nothing but ridicule the idea - I can't help but conclude that they're being dishonest when they claim the conceptus is a person.I have not mentioned anything but CHILD-SIZED (did you catch it that time?) rights for the fetus, so you're arguing against a point I didn't make. Well, I haven't said what "side" I'm on in this thread, so I'm not convinced that you know.

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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

As we have been discussing ad nauseam, they are deluding themselves that the fetus is a person, when they themselves ridicule the idea of treating the fetus as a person. Umm... I was responding to what you said:

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Control of behavior is prevention of sin, and sin is the problem in the world. They cannot condone it and that traps them into trying to get laws that limit the perceived freedoms of women. Message 211

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I was just pointing out your admission that that's their main purpose. How about showing us the evidence first? And that would be evidence that the anti-abortion movement as a whole is doing those things, not just a few isolated individuals or groups.Edited by Ringo, : Adjusted special effects.

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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

Read the thread. I have said no such thing.I have said consistently that if a fetus becomes a person at conception, it should have the same rights at conception that we currently give it at birth. Since when does a person's "tenuousness of existence" make that person less of a person? Looks that way. I'll say it again: if a man doesn't eat the food in front of him, I'll suspect that he isn't as hungry as he claims. No matter how eloquently he verbally communicates his claims, his actions are a more reliable communication. Until you can provide better evidence than I-know-a-guy-whose-wife's-cousin's-hairdresser, your claims that anti-abortionists care about the fetus are pretty empty.

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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

Again I urge you to actually read the thread. Then maybe you can point out where I've said any such thing.What I have said is that if anti-abortionists were sincere in their claims that the fetus is human, they would be having funerals and reserving burial plots for miscarried fetuses, just as they have funerals and burial plots for babies that die five minutes after birth. Who said anything about "supporting" sex outside of marriage?If anti-abortionists as a group were to do anything for the fetus (and you're still welcome to provide the evidence that they do), that would go some way toward convincing me that their claimed motivations were sincere. As it is, all I'm seeing is anti-abortionists humiliating and harassing women who want abortions. You really, really, really need to read the thread before you waste any more of my time with such misrepresentation.

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“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels